Remembering Paul Reynolds

When, sitting in a barely-earthbound aircraft last Saturday, I learned of Paul Reynolds’ death, I felt shocked, hollowed out, and heartbroken. Paul was loved by the dance community in Salt Lake City and beyond. I soon found myself reminiscing with Ashley Anderson, founder of loveDANCEmore, and the two of us both felt the need to write down some of what we felt about the gravity of his passing. We offer what’s below as an invitation to share your own memories. We’ll publish what’s collected at some point in a print edition of our journal, which Paul frequently helped us to share at 12 Minutes Max, a multidisciplinary works-in-progress platform he ran for years at the City Library. 

– Samuel Bennett Hanson


Photo by Shalee Cooper.

Ashley Anderson: The first time I met Paul was when I had returned to Salt Lake City and was looking to present choreography in a public space in the city. As ever, he was helpful and dedicated to the idea that the downtown public library was a place where anyone could stumble upon a meaningful performance. 

Over the years I saw Paul in various iterations of performance. We were both at the Performance Art Festival, watching Gretchen (his wife) and Zoey (his daughter) await the return of puffins. At a few gallery shows, I was fortunate to watch Paul perform in Choreographer’s Dream, Puppeteer’s Nightmare. Gretchen had choreographed a trio of puppets who danced on a wooden stage to Elvis’ “All Shook Up.” At a key moment, the stage turns, and we see the bare backs (and with them, the humanity) of the three puppeteers. 

Because Paul was a visual artist, it was nice to see him given this chance to share the vulnerability of dance. I equally enjoyed seeing his own visual art in the same galleries, something which highlighted his contemplative, but playful, nature. 

Paul and I shared a commonality of living in other places and wanting to bring new platforms to Salt Lake City. He wanted to shore up the art happening in the city, and he wanted us to stay here. He cared about all of our art, even when it was radically different from his own. I didn’t thank Paul enough, or maybe ever, for this important quality, because it felt like he would be here forever. 

Samuel Hanson: Like Ashley, when I think about Paul, I imagine seeing him at the end of countless shows and openings. Paul was tall, skinny, and stood out as somehow quiet and gregarious at the same time. I don’t think I ever left a show where I’d seen Paul without searching him out to say hi, probably because I knew he’d temporarily restore my faith in being alive. Bright and amiable, Paul brought such infectious curiosity into the room. 

This curiosity came through in his incredible work as a curator of 12 Minutes Max, the Performance Art Festival, and so much more that happened at the City Library and beyond. Almost every filmmaker, dancer, or musician in Salt Lake City must have a story of Paul opening a door for us to a venue, helping us make a connection that made our thesis performance possible, or of reminding us of why we were artists by making a sly introduction to a peer who would go on to change our lives. 

Another image finds him at the bottom of the deep rake of the City Library’s auditorium: jocular, lanky, feet dangling off the edge of the stage. His signature was an understated enthusiasm and respect for whatever artist he was introducing, whether it was his friend the performance artist Kristina Lenzi, a local celebrity like Trent Harris, or, more likely, some taciturn, scruffy-looking, yet shockingly talented almost-teenager up from an obscure corner of Utah County. At the more sublime 12 Minutes Max afternoons, Paul seemed to be leading us down deep into the rich, earthy soil of other people’s unfinished artworks.

Taken out of context, these images of Paul at other people’s shows might belie his own immense talent as an artist. If you’re interested in learning more about his work as a painter, Sidney Hikmet Loe’s 2010 profile, recently reposted by 15Bytes, is one good place to start. (After reading it, I wish I could ask him about his admiration for Cy Twombly.) His later paintings, many of which foreground a singular gesture rendered in charcoal, mean a lot to me as a dancer. They feature a heartbreaking color sense that makes me miss the desert, and, strange as this might sound, also somehow remind me of much less abstract paintings by one of my other heroes, David Wojnarowicz. When I interviewed Paul and Gretchen in 2014, one such canvas, “Around my Back,” was hanging above us as we spoke. “This one,” Paul said, “is the record of me turning around. I change hands, with my back to the canvas, and then continue to the other side without breaking the line.” Re-reading, I can almost remember the joy on his face as he described the way in which what resulted “was a complete surprise.” 

Halie Bahr: I first heard of the news of Paul's passing as I was checking my phone quickly at a gas station in Cedar City, Utah. I was about to hop on I-15 to perform at 12 Minutes Max the next day. I had been dragging my feet with the typical pre-performance insecurities, and was making sure a minor sound cue was possible via email request. Similar feelings of shock and hollowed-out-ness surged as I reflected on what Paul and the Salt Lake City Public Library had meant to me as an artist over the years. 

As I scrolled through our email threads, our most recent was my reply to his typical friendly check in a few weeks prior to 12 Minutes Max and his prompt-as-always request for a bio/blurb. I scrolled all the way back to our original email from 2018. I had just moved to Salt Lake City from Minneapolis, and was introduced to Paul via email through a former colleague. 12 Minutes Max became a consistent and loving place for me to share creative work over the next six years. I loved that so much art was happening in library spaces, and what that meant for access to ideas — as libraries are one of the only places left to exist still without needing to purchase something before one’s presence becomes illegal. 

Paul's work left an imprint on me and what became my core beliefs in community arts access for all. I loved the different people I met at 12 Minutes Max and the kinds of questions about art-making that emerged. When I was too broke to rent studio space for a short project, I turned to Paul. He quickly set up a mini exchange where I was able to use the auditorium on a short term basis. Additionally, Paul and 12 Minutes Max were my artistic support system during the pandemic. Not only did I show work several times in the ether of the public library's streaming platform, but Paul helped me secure an affordable outdoor venue at the downtown library's amphitheater. From there, I was able to self-produce a live, in-person, COVID-conscious thesis work to finish my MFA at the University of Utah. I still remember rehearsing at the outdoor amphitheater in the weeks before the performance. Paul came, literally running, out of the library to say hello and lend his over-joyous support to whatever we were making. Since 2018, he curated my work five times, and I can't help but feel entirely grateful for the deep sense of consistency he provided within the unknowns of the art-making world. Paul made so much possible with the most joyous ease. Thank you, Paul. 

You can add to this conversation/remembrance by emailing sam@lovedancemore.org.

Rae Luebbert on Noori Screendance and how it started

loveDANCEmore editor Arin Lynn met with loveDANCEmore artist in residence Rae Luebbert who also co-founded Noori Screendance Festival. The 2nd Annual festival is happening this Friday and Saturday at 7:30om in the UMOCA auditorium (20 S. West Temple, Salt Lake City). We talked a bit about how it all started and what she hopes could be in store for Noori in the coming years.

How did Noori start?

I think the seeds for Noori started back in 2018. That’s when Taylor Mott and I made our first screendance together. This took place in my bathroom, we were living together as roommates. We had been ruminating about collaborating for a long time and then we borrowed some lights for a film major, decorated the bathroom and just made a screendance. It was a very simple idea but it gave us a taste of the collaborative potential between us as artists in very different fields. 

And then in September of 2021 we launched the first iteration of Noori. It was one night, it took place in a small film production warehouse, we had no funding budget. It had a really DIY feeling to it. And all the artists were really committed to showing up for it. We showed 8 films which were all from Utah based artists and a lot of the projects had come out of COVID. Most of the projects were done in isolation and filmed on an iPhone. It was really exciting! 

And during COVID Taylor had helped create a screendance with me and my fellow dance-maker Angela Lee. We did it at a tennis court, she was wearing a mask and we were outside. 

That’s sort of where Noori started. It was about wanting to collaborate, do interdisciplinary work, and bring together these fields that feel really strong in Utah and doing really exciting work together. 

Is having Utah based artists a specific choice or was it kind of just accidental?

In 2021 it was specific that it be Utah based because we were really interested in what was happening here. There are things happening all over the world of course, but Utah has such a vibrant scene. For Noori 2023 we put out an open call out and we had a lot of submissions from across the state of Utah, also across the US, and a handful of international applicants. There was no requirement that the artists be from utah but it turns out that 7 of our 8 films are Utah based and then we have one international film. And i think it just goes to show the vibrancy of what’s happening in Utah and the surrounding areas. 

Still from Roxanne Gray’s Screendance “The Fall”. Performer: Elle Taylor.

Are you hoping that this becomes an annual Festival? What’s the dream?

Yeah. The dream would be for it to be an annual festival. I think it’s amazing when artists can anticipate opportunities and make work with a calendar in mind, and audience members have something to look forward to. Of course there are always logistical questions. It’s very important to me that artists are paid for the work they do. This year we are able to give honorariums for each of the films. And that would be the goal moving forward. There is always the question of funding for that sort of work, but hopefully we are able to make it an annual festival. 

Is there anything else you want people to know?

First off, Taylor Mott has been essential in this process. I am so grateful that we are able to collaborate even though we are from very different fields. It has felt like a team process the whole time. Also shout out to Amber Mott, who is a local Salt Lake graphic designer. She did all of our promotional materials and she is so talented and essential to this project. 

Oh and last thing, just a note on accessibility: Most of the films don’t have any spoken text, one of them does but there will be closed captioning. The event has a variety of films. So even if someone does not have a background in dance, or film, or screendance it should not feel unfamiliar or restrictive. We have films that are available and accessible to anyone regardless of their background or experience with the artforms. 

Noori: screendance for everyone. 

Screendance for everyone!

Join us for an evening featuring eight screendances, many of which will be premiering for the first time, curated by loveDANCEmore artist-in-residence Rae Luebbert. Noori celebrates the way that dance artists and filmmakers play with light to capture the body, space, and landscape. The dance films in this program are whimsical and reflective, intentional and spontaneous, and deeply playful. RSVP via this registration form.

Featured artists: Virginia Broyles, Meredith Wilde, Roxanne Gray, Jorge Rojas, Alec Lyons, Haleigh Larmer, Cheyenne Stirling, Colby Bryson, Tori Meyer, Taylor Mott, Rae Luebbert, Amber Mott, Angela Lee, and Rima Pipoyan.

When: Friday, February 24 & Saturday, February 25 at 7:30pm

Where: Utah Museum of Contemporary Art (20 S. West Temple, Salt Lake City)

This event is free to attend with a suggested donation of $15. A short Q & A will follow the screening. This event is a partnership with loveDANCEmore and is supported by funds from the Salt Lake Arts Council, National Endowment for the Arts, Utah Division of Arts & Museums, and ZAP.


Introducing Chris Bryce and SLC Queer Ballet

I met with Chris Bryce (they/them) and we chatted over coffee to talk about their new dance project: SLC Queer Ballet. Chris is a queer artist and “lower case d” dancer in Salt Lake City. 

How did this all start? What was the point that made you think “I want to do this.” 

A little over a year ago, one night at Iowa house some people were talking about how they would like to get back into dance, but they didn’t feel safe and affirmed as a queer person taking classes anywhere in Salt Lake. I remember just saying ‘Well I could do that’ and then we just brainstormed on how to make it happen right then and there. 

I was super inspired by Iowa House because it’s just a queer person’s home and they open their front door to anyone who wants to come to potluck on Sundays. The person who lives at Iowa House was talking with me about how we could move furniture around and have classes there. It started out extremely small. Honestly it was uncomfortable, there was really not enough space to move. But, I saw the response was positive so that’s when I decided it’s time to actually do this. When I started looking for new spaces, SLCC expressed an enthusiasm to be our new home.SLC Queer Ballet is just this project that was birthed from this other project, that has birthed a lot of other projects. Huge shoutout to Iowa House.

How does your queerness affect your dance and vice versa?

I grew up doing ballet for a good chunk of my childhood and early teens. I very much appreciated the structure and rules and it’s like there's a textbook for this. And I grew up going to a studio run by a bunch of white mormon moms, but my specific teacher was this Argentinian man who came from a very serious dance background from where he lived in Argentina. So I had the one non-assimilatory teacher who was clear about ‘I’m not like the rest’ and he just didn’t care. Also first off, having a teacher who was not a woman was really not normal but also felt very good. He also fought the system. Like there was a whole political upheaval in the studio about him wanting to have costumes that had straps instead of sleeves. And he didn’t protect us from those conversations he would say to us like “guys this is stupid.” And he was a huge influence on my relationship with dance.

I also was raised in a very high demand religion and there was a lot of emphasis put on what we are doing with our bodies. And it feels really good to let go of that. To let go of all of the performative movement. Forget performing on stage, because I was taught that we have to also perform in society at all times. Not only am I an example and a representation of my religion, I’m also aware of who’s sexualizing me, and what parts of my body am I drawing attention to, and it feels really good to let that go. I’m moving, and I’m moving for me. It went from “I don’t care who’s watching” to like “I really care who’s watching.” And these people who are in the space with me are also queer and also need this. And that means a lot to me and my experience of liberation.” 

Where do you hope this project will go?

Yeah, this is a very organic process so I’m sort of doing what I think I can do right now. But I hope everyone who comes to experience it has a good experience. It’s not about the “doing” and it’s about the existing. Like I have someone who comes down from Ogden regularly, and it’s a lot about just the experience of being with other people who are like you. Like what if this is the one night where you can be out and surrounded by queer people. That’s important to me, so I’d like to keep it going and for it to continue evolving into what both I want and what the people who are interested want. 

SLC Queer Ballet was inspired by Iowa House and the community there. Iowa House is an individual’s home where people gather and have a potluck every week. It’s very organic, and there is a huge sense of community. SLC Queer Ballet is not limited to ballet, though that is how the classes started. Chris looks for people who have experience in the styles the community is interested in for guest teachers and workshops. They’ve held contemporary dance and yoga classes, and the most recent community request has been Salsa dance. You can stay connected to their class updates via their instagram: @slcqueerballet 

Arin Lynn is the editor of loveDANCEmore.

Joshua Perkins and 1520 Arts

I connected with Joshua “Text” Perkins of 1520 Arts to hear more about what They Reminisce and the history of 1520 Arts. Answers have been edited for clarity.

Can you tell me a little more about 1520 Arts? I'm also curious where the name comes from?

1520 Arts is a non-profit organization that showcases Hip Hop Arts as a viable path to success through practice, performance and education.  We do this through four main program initiatives.  

-The Hip Hop Education & Resource Center ( HERC ) is our main facility and headquarters.  We do Art and Dance programs from this space.  The building also acts as a community center that can be used by other local arts and community orgs. 

-They Reminisce is our annual stage production.  It takes place at The Rose Wagner downtown and features an all local cast.  This years story is what we call the 3 ERA story.  It takes a look at three distinct eras of Hip Hop's cultural evolution.  Through dance, music, art and fashion we try to tell the story of Hip Hop and how its changed over time. 

-Outreach & Education.  In addition to The HERC, 1520 Arts provides education to after school programs, k-12 and colleges.   We currently have a class at BYU that is in its 6-7 year (Dance 245).  New for 2022, we've been given an int. level class as well.  We are also hoping to begin teaching at Westminster and Weber State in the spring. 

-Events & Performances.   About once a quarter we will produce our own event/competition.  We are also hired to perform at arts festivals, community events, parties and other local functions.  Each year at the Utah Arts Festival we produce battles and events for the full four days of the festival.  It's one of our favorite events of the year. 

Originally, we were called The BBoy Federation.  We got our start producing Breakin' battles in 2009, but over the years our programs have grown to incorporate more than just the dance.  For our 10yr anniv. in 2019 we changed our name to 1520 ARTS.  1520 Sedgwick Ave. in Bronx, NY is an iconic location within Hip Hop history.  It's where DJ Kool Herc, the father of Hip Hop, first debuted his Merry-Go-Round technique.  This technique and its debut on Aug 11, 1973 are considered the birth time and place of Hip Hop.  We chose the name because we felt that this location represented the unlimited potential for Hip Hop's growth and community connection, and we wanted this to be integral to our programs. 

Photo by Fractal Films of They Reminisce 2022

Since 1520’s origin in 2008, how have things changed? How has Salt Lake changed (or not changed) for you in that time period? Are there changes you would like to see for the SLC dance scene?  

So much has changed!  Our initial goal at the beginning was just to throw successful Breakin' events.  The growth of the org, non-profit status, a building, college classes, stage show etc have all just kind of happened, often times out of necessity and not choice.  We're so grateful for all the crazy things we've been able to do and it's pretty wild when we look back at how much has actually taken place over the last decade plus. SLC is always changing as well.  There's an ebb and flow to the community, it's always growing or shrinking or moving in some new direction.  

In your promotion materials and information on previous shows, I see there is an emphasis on honoring histories of hip hop culture while moving forward. Can you elaborate on this more? 

Hip Hop culture has become one of the most diverse sub cultures on the planet.  It also means different things to different people.  Ask someone what "Real Hip Hop" is and you will get a huge variety of answers.  Our goal is to provide a base level of knowledge to the audience and community alike.  Saying, here are the key moments and key players in the creation of the culture.  Here are the guidelines and foundations that the culture was built on.  From there, you can take it and make it what you want.  The culture should always be creating new things and challenging it's own norms.  But we feel like that can only be done if you have an understanding of why those norms exited to begin with.   So we are trying to do that in a way that is fun and engaging as well as informative.

Photo by Fractal Films of They Reminisce 2022

What does the process look like for creating “They Reminisce”?

Each year our production team meets around February or March to talk about the theme for that year's show.  We have three main storylines that we've written for REM, The 3 ERA story, The SCR story, and The SCR Reborn story.   We typically try to do one of the stories for 2-3 years in a row then we change.   From there, we select choreographers for the pieces we will need.  Choreographers are given a set of guidelines like, this is where your piece is within the show, and this is the tone or era you need to stay within.  Outside of that they have control over their music, choreography, whether they want to hand select or audition dancers, ect. 

Rehearsals typically start around three months before the show.  While the cast is rehearsing, the rest of the production team works on creating whatever video and lighting assets we need for the show.  Around one month from show we start weekly group rehearsals where we piece together the dances and the rest of the story elements. 

We try to create a skeleton for the show, where we know what we're trying to say and what the end goal will be.  Then we want the choreographers  and dancers to have the freedom to add their own voice and creativity.  We also try to put unique and spontaneous moments into the show.  For example, there are two "battles" that take place in the show this year.  These aren't choreographed and will have different dancers and different music for each show.  This means the dj, dancers, cast and audience are seeing everything for the first time in that moment.  So the reactions of the cast are just as authentic as the audience reactions.

Arin Lynn is the editor of loveDANCEmore.  

Stephanie García on Moving Forward Together: Latinx, Hispanic, and Chicanx Artists in Conversation

The below interview was conducted by Arin Lynn, loveDANCEmore editor. It has been edited for clarity.

I met with artist in residence Stephanie García to talk about the upcoming panel: Moving Forward Together: Latinx, Hispanic, and Chicanx Artists in Conversation. It will be this Sunday, Sept 25th at 5:00pm on the Spyhop Rooftop. You can RSVP here.

How did organizing this panel start? Where did the momentum come from?

I had an assignment in my graduate program, I was doing some brief research… Something I noticed was, specifically in the history of modern and contemporary dance, there is a lack of documentation regarding Latinx and Chicanx dance influence. I am very interested in who is writing the history of contemporary dance in the US. Then that summer I met David Herrera at a program through National Association of Latino Arts and Cultures (NALAC). We both attended the NALAC Leadership Institute, and David runs this newsletter that is open to all Latinx, Chicanx and Hispanic artists across the country to share what they are doing. David was wanting to launch a conference through this work but he wasn’t sure where to have it. I was thinking about it and I thought maybe we can do something here. 

We were trying to think about how we can create that network. Also because Salt Lake City is very isolated. There is a big Latinx, Chicanx and Hispanic community here and it’s still very isolated and segregated. There are clear signs of that when you look at the specific areas of the city… we are growing in separate realities. The dance dynamics that are happening here are really amazing but you don’t know about other dance styles. There is the Living Traditions festival but other than that we have no idea that these diverse communities are here. So I was kind of interested in addressing that with this panel as well… to meet each other and to know what the others are doing and to see that our needs are very similar. 

When you say community what are you referring to specifically? 

“We are a lot of communities. Latinx, Chicanx and Hispanic communities are not just one thing, we are a lot of different communities. [The focus of this panel specifically is] having a local organization in the dance community that embraces this other Latinx, Chicanx and Hispanic community and People of Color as well as their own diverse dance communities within.

What can people expect from the panel? What are you hoping people will walk away with?   

I expect people to feel identified. The histories and individuals that identify with these communities have very similar stories. Even if you didn’t have to cross the border to come here, maybe your parents did or your grandparents did. Or people like me. There are very different stories but the reasons underneath that are mainly the same. It is very personal but it has to do with the effects of colonization and how a country like the United States and the other first economies of the world have harmed a lot of the countries of South America or Africa or Asia. The common denominator is People of Color. [This panel] talks about history, it talks about racism, it talks about oppression. Lots of people decided to come here because of the harm done to their cultures. It feels very contradictory for me. I am coming to a country that has harmed so much of my own and my culture to look for better opportunities. Because there are no opportunities down there. And that is tough. What I see is that they have made people feel like they don't belong here. So it is easy to doubt about your own identity. And dance can provide people with a sense of identity and self. It sounds obvious that we have been through that but by sharing it we know we are not alone. It gives us strength to keep doing what we do. I expect that this will help people see a little past their immediate environment. This will help people with their own practice by making connections and sharing resources. I believe this will be beneficial for everyone.

Photo by Jorge Rojas

The phrase “the political consequences of art making” is in the summary of the event. Can you elaborate more on what that means to you? 

Dance is a social dimension. It is a microscopic reflection of what’s happening in society. That’s why I was both surprised and also not surprised that there are no names of these creators and choreographers, with very few exceptions, in the books of contemporary dance. That’s how people of these communities are considered. They are important but they are not. They are fundamental for the work of the country but they are not. [The US] doesn’t want them to be part of the formal economy but [the US] wants them to keep being the workforce. And it is not only within this community, it is part of their experiences, it’s very common. What are the contributions of these communities in the city? And that has an influence on the art making and dance making.”

Stephanie will be moderating the panel this Sunday, Sept 25th at the Spyhop Rooftop. Everyone is welcome to come and participate, the focus is not to restrict the participation of others. We aim to lift the voices of the people of the latinx/chicanx/hispanic community. The goal of this conversation is to get to know who’s here and “to open our eyes a little bit past our immediate environment”. 

Stephanie has co-founded this space in partnership with David Herrera, who is the co-founder of Latinx Hispanic Dancers United (LHDU). Originally from Mexico City, Stephanie García is a performer, choreographer, cultural manager, producer, and co-founder and co-Director of Punto de Inflexión Dance Company. She is currently an MFA candidate and Graduate Teaching Assistant in the Modern Dance program at the University of Utah.

Guest speakers will also include Fanny Blauer, Paola Cespedez Caba, Fausto Rivera and Karina Villalba.

A conversation with Nick Blaylock, choreographer of "Traverse" dance film

This is a conversation with Nick Blaylock, the choreographer and just one of the many artists that came together to make the film Traverse in 2016. The film is getting a screening this July 1 at the Rose Wagner, along with some new choreography performed and produced by many of the same artists.

The original Traverse crew. Images courtesy of TWIG Media Lab.

Hi Nick! Please tell us a bit about yourself, your background, your current work and interests. 

My name is Nick Blaylock, and I share a wonderful life with my wife, Brea, our newest addition, Marlo, and our pup, Audrey. I started dancing pretty late, so I've spent the better part of twelve years in school, freelance performing and choreographing, and teaching. I currently work at Southern Utah University as an Assistant Professor of Dance and the Dance Program Head. I also collaborate with Heartland, a multi-disciplinary collective directed by Molly Heller. My interests would be education, music, philosophy, and dogs.

How did you originally connect with TWIG for this project?

All credit goes to Eric Handman (thanks again, Eric!) — he was one of my professors in graduate school at the U, and he said TWIG was looking for a collaborator. TWIG welcomed me with open arms, and I am very grateful.

Dancers heading out on road trip through Utah’s landscapes.

You and the team filmed Traverse in 2016, tell us what those five days of filming were like for you, what you remember most. Was this a new way of working for you?

The five days of filming were wonderful - full of exhaustion and good times. I remember the mutual respect between all the artists, and for the environments within which we worked. It felt like we were all just thankful to be a part of a project like this together.

Did the project inform your creative practices moving forward in any way?

Certainly! I seem to continue making choices quickly in processes as a way of trusting myself and those in the “room.”

You’ll be making and premiering a new dance work for the July 1st event with six dancers (two from the original cast). Tell us about your process and plans, how do you see it relating to the film? 

Yes, come check out these incredible artists — Bashaun Williams, Eliza Tappan, Megan O'Brien, Natalie Border, Olivia Beck, and Samantha Matsukawa! I would enjoy referential motifs and odes to specific textures we experienced along the way. Reflecting on our experiences working with the environment, as subjective, also feels potent.

On location in Southern Utah.

What has happened for you and the dancers between filming and now, the past six years?

Ah, I would love to hear from the dancers on this one. Everyone seems to be thriving. They are all incredible people doing a variety of special things. My family and I have moved around and found ourselves in Utah again. A lot has changed in the fields of film and dance, so Traverse is a real testament to TWIG's vision and direction.

You can see Traverse Friday, July 1 at the Rose Wagner Theater.

Dance, Migration and History through the lens of RDT's new show

No curtain is between the audience and the stage. The space receives you with arms wide open, the same openness this nation had when receiving thousands of immigrants from Europe after World War I. Chairs, suitcases, and several ladder structures wait for the show to start and ignite not only your imagination, but emotions and feelings through testimonies of a journey of immigration, identity and belonging. RDT’s Six Songs from Ellis is a multidisciplinary performance where the dancers are actors and the actors are dancers. Props (a ship, a long dining table, Ellis Island, a birth) trigger several choreographic conventions, and members of the Salt Lake City community share their history along with the professional performers.

Courtesy of RDT.

The actors talk masterfully to the audience with a remarkable clarity, the dancers encompass the work of the actors through their elegant pace and execution — both do important work when dancing together, singing and acting. The lighting creates the precise atmosphere of struggle in the audience’s hearts, or sometimes causes a joyful feeling. The media marks the rhythm of the production as the use of the props create magic on stage. Especially moving are community guest artists, Anne Cullimore Decker, Karineh Hovsepian, Andrew Maizner and Jon Pezely, who speak from their hearts about their past, their stories, their roots.

The spectacle is divided in two acts, and the second one is unnecessary. The show could have been an hour or one hour and a half with no intermission. This issue is a repetitive structure where we see the actors telling the stories of their migration from different countries of Europe, going through their overseas travel until their arrival and acceptance in the United States through the Port of Ellis Island. However, the show sustains itself through the passionate work of the performers and all the people involved in this production. The end of the show causes an applause burst from the audience. People (curiously, the majority are white) standing up from their seats moved by what they have just witnessed, their history has been told.

Dance, multimedia, theater, opera… it becomes extremely challenging to point out the outstanding performance of only one individual in a show where all performers build a community and work in an elegantly balanced performance. But that is what this is about: a communal experience. There is no other way Six Songs for Ellis could have been put together. The topic pushes the directors to shape a performance that invites us to reflect and acknowledge the strengths this nation has had, and perhaps to reflect on a more compassionate future in terms of immigration policy or the value of other human lives.

I had the pleasure of being at the Repertory Dance Theatre production the night of April 22, right before traveling to a Latinx heritage conservation conference. I mention this detail because the timing inevitably took me to draw some parallels about the complex social and political fabric of the United States. There is a need to express how the history of the US has been built on values of cultural diversity and immigration. Hopefully, Six songs from Ellis will inspire all who attend to a more loving and more human comprehension of otherness, especially as we are facing an era with the largest number of global refugees in modern times.

Originally from Mexico City. Stephanie García holds a Contemporary Dance AA and BA from the National Classical and Contemporary Dance School of the National Fine Arts Institute (INBA), studies in Cultural Management from Universidad de Guadalajara, and a Cultural Management and Cultural Policies Diploma from the National Arts Center (CENART), the Organization of American States (OAS), and the Universidad Autónoma Metropolitana (UAM) in Mexico. She is a performer, choreographer, performing arts director, cultural manager, producer, and Co-founder and Co-Director of Punto de Inflexión Dance Company and PROArtes México. Stephanie has danced with several of the most important choreographers and venues in Mexico, performed in eleven countries of America, Europe, and Africa, and choreographed more than twenty original dance/multi-/inter- disciplinary pieces. She was co-founder and co-director of Sur Oeste Arte Escénico for ten years. A beneficiary of programs like IBERESCENA grant (Iberoamerican Performing Arts Fund), Prince Claus Fund (Netherlands), and seven times awarded by Mexico's National Culture and Arts Fund grants from 2006-2019. With seventeen years of dance and arts administration experience, Stephanie has been considered by the press to be one of the most prominent dancers in Mexico. Garcia is currently an MFA candidate and Graduate Teaching Assistant in the Modern Dance program at the University of Utah.

loveDANCEmore was thrilled to present Stephanie’s work in last October’s Sunday Series, curated by Jorge Rojas. You can still watch a digital presentation of RDT’s Six Songs from Ellis at their website.

Arin Lynn on the Culture of the Audition

I am a freelance dancer and choreographer (among other things) in Salt Lake City. I’m curious about dance casting in a world where our only options seem to be outdated audition systems or limiting ourselves to asking performers we already know. I took to Instagram to ask some of the freelance community about this, and here are the results.

Auditions have been around for a gazillion years and the model has remained unchanged since Louis XIV said, “Let’s make ballet a thing.” The model was also made when racism, misogyny, and queerphobia ran freely throughout society. The dance world has evolved since then, but like many artforms, the impacts of dance’s racist and misogynist histories are keenly felt even today. Adjusting the auditioning and casting process is a step towards breaking down that harmful hierarchy and empowering dancers. 

Nowadays, freelance auditions cast dancers in a single short-term project, often with the hope of networking, so that your next job may be offered audition-free. In an ideal world where space, money, and safety were no issue, this could work great. The current audition model makes this an unrealistic process. But by structuring auditions differently, dancers will feel more secure and empowered. 

Auditions, both for freelance projects and company roles, are already few and far between. The COVID-19 pandemic has limited these numbers even further. In 2021, you could count the number of freelance project auditions in Salt Lake City on one hand. In those auditions, some dancers who had attended speculated that the projects were most likely already pre-cast, and that the audition was more for filling holes than for building a cast directly from the audition pool. Clarity around these auditions tended to be lacking. Often, choreographers were not up front about how many dancers they were looking for, whether the dancers would be compensated at all, rehearsal times, or even the specific style of dance they were looking for, further than the catch-all term: “contemporary.”

When asked if choreographers preferred hosting an audition as opposed to inviting people, it seemed to be the general consensus that auditions were a great way to connect with new dancers. I agree with this completely. Particularly while navigating the pandemic, it has been hard to connect with new people and foster relationships. When it becomes safe to gather again, auditions will be a great way to see other dancers and reconnect to the community. 

Although there is general consensus that meeting new dancers is the perk of the audition process, in my experience, often “who you know” seems to play a larger part in casting. Some dance makers are up front about this; one told me “I just want to dance with my friends. I don’t want strangers in my process.” Another dance maker said “auditions make me feel pretentious and unwelcoming.” Hosting auditions, to younger dance makers, feels like a version of gate-keeping and exclusivity. I would counter that working with the same group of people for every project can also come across as gatekeeping and exclusive, and can limit the inspiration for a project. And around in the circular argument we go. 

The main feedback I received from dancers was that auditions are scary. In most auditions,  a few people hold all of the information and power, and the other people in the room have only questions and no outlet to ask. This relationship inside of auditions is often interpreted as being more “professional,” however I think what’s really going on is intimidation. The lack of clarity feeds an unhealthy power dynamic where many dancers said they feel they can’t perform their best. Some people may expect pay from an auditioned project, and some choreographers expect that the project be everyone’s top priority, despite the potential unknown pay, schedule, and location. I think it’s important to acknowledge that tangible feeling of being scrutinized and judged on everything about you from your hair style to your body type to your actual movement performance to the clothes you're wearing — it goes on and on. It’s a lot to worry about even without the power dynamic. The intimidation and withholding of information also fosters an environment where biases (both conscious and unconscious) are prevalent. The more information a choreographer can give before an audition the more a dancer can prepare to pander to the dance maker’s preferences. 

For some programs/companies, one is required to travel, pay at least one fee, and sometimes attend a multi-day workshop to be considered as an audition participant. There are mass audition events, where the workshop is also an audition for several different companies and choreographers, however these events are usually expensive and limited by dance style, locations, and number of projects. 

So for those who might be thinking, “what would you have me do?” My manifesto is this:

Photo by Nora Lang

Clear specifications for gender and gender expression preferences. 

Choreographers should be honest about what they’re looking for in their dancers. For example, If a choreographer wants a femme dancer to dance in a heteronormative dynamic and wear a skirt, then I (a transmasculine nonbinary dancer) will not be auditioning for that. When such a choreographer says “all genders welcome and encouraged to audition” then we both end up wasting my time and my money, and they have put me in a potentially unsafe environment. 

Clear specifications about compensation. 

If the audition holder doesn’t have a lot of information, I want to know that. If the audition holder is waiting to hear back about a grant, I want to know that. And when I do get cast, I want it to be clearly described in the first rehearsal. 

Clear specifications about rehearsal availability and expectations. 

I have received several rejection emails with feedback that included comments along the lines of “your availability didn’t work for us” after the audition holder had said casting wouldn't be affected by availability. I know I’m not alone in this. Rehearsal time is one of the many conundrums of freelance dance because almost everyone involved is underpaid and overworked, however there is almost no conversation between dancers and audition holders about this. I want to know what an audition holder is looking for in availability, even if it’s as vague as “evenings”. 

Clear specifications on how many dancers an audition holder is looking for.

I want to know my chances in this audition setting. Are you looking for a duet? Or eight people? Are you looking for different specific types of people? Are you not sure yet what size group you’re looking for? When auditions cost time and money, it means the world to know the possibility of actually getting cast. 

I want a pitch. 

For any funded project, the choreographer has likely had to write an application describing the project and the inspirations behind it. When choosing to commit time to projects, having an idea beforehand is the most respectful to everyone’s time and effort. Even if all the necessary information can’t be collected by the start of the project, I believe a pitch is still important. It could be as simple as “I’m interested in physical effort.” 

Lastly, Let’s combine forces. 

When everyone shares the cost of space and the authority load, it makes all of it less stressful and less expensive. I would like to see mass audition events that have many different choreographers who are in varying degrees of “success” in their careers and who specialize in different styles, possibly even casting for multiple projects over the course of a year. There could be a social component where dancers are encouraged to mingle and get to know each other in a setting where they are not seeing each other as “the competition”. If enough people band together, the cost could be dramatically less for each individual. And I would be much more willing to pay a pay-what-you-can audition fee if I knew it were going towards helping the entire dance community of Salt Lake rather than giving money to a project I may or may not actually have a part in.  

The common audition model is clearly not working for the way dance performance is evolving. I firmly believe auditioning — or something adjacent — still has a role to play in dance making. I believe there is an invaluable benefit to being able to cast from a pool of interested dancers and make something entirely new. Being in a room with people who share a common vision or goal is a very exciting prospect. I am always excited to meet new people and get to work on a project we all care about, but I think we need to work on communication between the auditioners and the auditionees. We are still playing into a power dynamic that should have been updated a long time ago. If I had to put it in a single word: transparency. I want more transparency from auditions.

arin lynn is an artist and stage tech in Salt Lake City. 

Revisiting a Conversation with Khadifa Wong & Lisa Donmall-Reeve

This month, in honor of the film’s release on HBO and in festivals across the company, we are revisiting contributor Alex Barbier’s conversation with the filmmakers behind Uprooted: The Journey of Jazz Dance.

After watching Uprooted (reviewed here by Kathy Adams) contributor Alexandra Barbier sat down last spring with Khadifa Wong and Lisa Donmall-Reeve to discuss the movie and the larger significance of jazz in dance, the USA and the UK, and global culture.

Lisa Donmall-Reeve (left) and Khadifa Wong (right front) produced and directed Uprooted. They’re pictured here with crew members and dancers from Holla Jazz. Photo by Daryl Getman.

Says Barbier, "The opportunity to interview Khadifa and Lisa was perfectly timed. I had just been asked to teach a university-level Dance History course for students studying ballet, jazz, and contemporary dance. I was annoyed when I received the proposed course outline and discovered that only one week of the sixteen-week course focused on "Minstrelsy and the evolution of jazz dance," a veiled way of saying "Black dance." It was placed in the eleventh week of an otherwise chronologically accurate timeline of the western concert dance canon, which I found baffling considering that Minstrel shows "crystalized" between 1850 and 1870, and week ten of this course addressed José Limón (1908-1972). I began my conversation with Khadifa and Lisa by asking if they'd had similarly misleading experiences when studying dance history, and if this inaccuracy (which is not unique to the program that hired me) played a role in their decision to make this film."

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A Conversation with Indigo Cook

The below interview was conducted by Samuel Hanson, loveDANCEmore editor and executive director. It has been edited for clarity.

Welcome to 2022. I am sitting with Indigo Cook, who I know as an organizer of performances that include dance, music and visual art through Interdisciplinary Arts Collective. I guess I think of Indigo as a choreographer. But maybe that’s a good place to start. Indigo, do you think of yourself as a choreographer?

The term I usually use is interdisciplinary artist, or if I’m feeling long-winded I’ll say “musician-slash-dancer-slash-interdisciplinary-artist.” I grew up dancing and studied percussion in college, and most of the work I do is centered around those two worlds. But I feel really passionately about the collaborative potential of the arts, and I make it a point to work with as many different kinds of artists as I can.

Indigo Cook performs the score for March 2020 as part of the ongoing Performance Calendar project discussed below: “Make a ballgown out of found materials in any place(s) of your choosing and wear it in a public place while you waltz to Shostakovich's Waltz no. 2.”

Tell us a little about Interdisciplinary Arts Collective (IAC). That’s how I know you, at least artistically. We also taught for a while together for Tanner Dance’s Artist-in-Education Program.

I started IAC when I was in college. I was the only percussionist at Westminster at the time, and I was desperate to find other artists to talk to and work with. I had somehow weaseled my way into the dance department and they were letting me do all the things majors did while I was still officially a music major. So I was collaborating with the dancers and doing the music thing, and it felt like there was a lot of potential in the arts programs for people to band together and make some interesting things, but the departments didn’t seem to really be talking to each other. 

In my junior year I started making people come and meet me on Saturday mornings. It was a fun ragtag group of musicians, dancers, visual artists, and poets. I’d bring bagels and coffee, and we would do some free musical improvisation, contact improv, Deep Listening, and lots of Fluxus scores. It started very much as an underground experimentation group. We worked on some Fluxconcerts around the city, and that’s mostly what we did for the first couple years. It’s really only in the last few years that we’ve done what you might call “official shows” where people can come and watch and buy tickets…

Official shows!

Instead of us just making salads in a room as art, if you know what I mean.

I guess the first thing that we really did for a formal audience was the Fringe Festival three years ago. We’ve had other projects since then — the Utah Arts Festival, more Fringe Fest, a 36-hour performance of Erik Satie’s Vexations, etc. — and we’re working on a new Musicircus-style show that’s scheduled for sometime this spring.

Tell us about the Performance Calendar.

Performance Calendar started as a solo project. I’d just barely moved back to Salt Lake in 2019, the New Year was happening, and I wanted something to do that wasn’t a New Year’s resolution. A Fluxus composer that I really admire named Don Boyd has a piece called A Performance Calendar, and it’s a text score where each month of the year has a different direction to follow. So, each month of that year I realized the directions he wrote and I had a blast with it. I cut up a carrot and used the shavings to notate a little composition for one month, for another month I had to write a letter to the IRS explaining how hard it is to “achieve lofty dryness,” etc. The year ended and I figured I’d keep the ball rolling into 2020, so I commissioned a bunch of friends and artists to write text scores for me. Each month I realized a piece by a different artist — I composed a vocal score in February, I made a Fluxfilm in October, I performed a “foretelling” in December inspired by Ursula K. Le Guin’s The Left Hand of Darkness, etc. 

Then in 2021 — year three of the project — I wanted to get other artists involved as performers. And that’s when I incorporated it under the IAC umbrella, mainly so that I had a place to archive the material. I put together a score and I had people sign up for months they were interested in. This score was generated using chance procedures. I have a ton of books in my house, and I used a random number generator to pick a shelf on a bookcase, a book on that shelf, and a page in that book, then I took a sentence that was interesting to me and turned that into the score for each month. The group of artists working on each month’s score got to decide what sort of direction we wanted to take the realization in — some months were all process and experience-based, while we created more formal “things” or “performances” for other months. Nathaniel Woolley and I wrote and premiered an operetta in April, we went on a Fluxus scavenger hunt around the city in July, and we had a slumber party at my house in September where we just stayed up late performing Flux scores for each other and dancing (there was lots of confetti by the end of the night). 

I just started year four, which is exciting! 2022 — I was loving all of the even numbers, so I decided to turn it into a duet year. Each month I will be working with one other person and we’ll be doing a text score together. This year’s score is excerpted from the “First Infrarealist Manifesto,” written by Roberto Bolaño.

Indigo Cook, Elijah Cook, Edison Corvera, Dani Mendez, and Nathaniel Woolley performing October 2021: “One cried, ‘God bless us!’ and ‘Amen’ the other, / as they had seen me with these hangman’s hands.”

I love his novels — particularly The Savage Detectives, which actually mentions the manifesto. I didn’t realize it was something he actually wrote. (His alter-ego, Arturo Belano, is also a poet in that book.) I haven’t read much of the poetry…

I’ve just started reading a little bit of the poetry. I read 2666 last year and it fucked me up. Fantastic!

Have you read any of the shorter fiction? (I particularly love this one.)

I haven’t. I have Antwerp sitting on a bookshelf waiting for me and I’ll get to it eventually. Are you reading anything?

I just started reading Dhalgen by Samuel Delany. I bought the book years ago when I lived in New York. I actually found a postcard from a choreographer I worked for in 2009, Yve Laris Cohen, that I’d used as a bookmark. I was with my friend the other day at Sam Wellar’s and we saw one of Delany’s book and started talking about another book of his that I actually did finish — Times Square Red, Times Square Blue — which is about sexual politics, movie theaters, New York, gentrification, the rapid pace of change in that part of the city from the seventies until the early oughts…

But anyway we realized we both have Dhalgren and so we started reading it together. I love doing book clubs with fellow artists. I am also reading this really depressing book about the history of the DSM and psychiatry, which my cousin lent to me.

You’re not still teaching in schools for Tanner, are you?

No, I miss it, but I couldn’t afford to keep doing it. I work for the school district part-time and I do this. You’re still doing Tanner?

I’m working there as a dance teacher and an accompanist, and I love it. I love working with Rachel Kimball so much. 

She is a great teacher and an amazing teacher-of-dance-teachers. But back to your project, you were saying, the whole year is Bolaño. Tell us about who you are working with?


This is a great question, because I am still looking for people to sign on for the coming months. [You can email Indigo here if you are interested.] Most of the months are full but I still have some empty ones, and I’d love to work with some new folks. In January I am working with this really great visual artist named Dani Mendez. They are a body piercer, and they do a lot of visual art — they also just graduated with a metal-smithing certificate — so they make their own stones and jewelry. A lot of people who have signed on have been members of IAC in the past, or they’ve written scores for me in calendars of past years, or they are people that I’ve had on my collaborative hit list that I keep bugging and eventually they say yes… Part of Don Boyd’s inscription for A Performance Calendar says, “For whom? Anyone.” and I’m trying to take that very literally and work with a lot of different kinds of artists. And non-artists and anti-artists as well, which is a big focus in Fluxus! I’ve roped all of my siblings into the project at one point or another, and at one of IAC’s Fluxconcerts my dad showed up with an electric kettle and made himself a cup of tea in the middle of the stage. Anyone and everyone can flux. 

Elijah Cook, Dani Mendez, Nathaniel Woolley, and Eglantine the dog. September 2021: “You’ll wake up someday and it’ll be too late.”

As far as the score for this year goes, it’s a great manifesto. I haven’t actually read Savage Detectives yet, which I am sort of doing on purpose, because I want to work with the manifesto on its own before I bring in any of his storytelling. The Infrarealists took a very anti-establishment approach to their poetry and how they saw their relationship to Mexican society and art-making. I felt a lot of resonance between their approach and the anti-art roots of the Fluxus movement itself, so I thought using Bolaño’s manifesto to build my Fluxus score this year would be a fun way to connect the dots…

One of the things that drew me to Fluxus was that it had a clearly defined historical beginning in the sixties and seventies, but it purposefully never had a super rigidly-defined ethos or aesthetic. Fluxus was meant to be in flux, and so different artists (and anti-artists!) interpreted it in different ways. It was a sense of experimentation and a set of strategies to approach a process, as opposed to a piece or a product that had to look or sound a certain way. As someone who’s drawn to collaboration and interdisciplinary communication, I’ve found Fluxus to be a great way to get people to team up and try new things with me. They don’t need to be able to read music or paint or have perfect dance technique, and they don’t need to be fully versed in the who/what/where/when history of Fluxus in order to engage in experimentation and conversation. This is all just a way of asking really funny questions for me, and finding new ways to talk about and maybe answer those questions with some very cool people. 

One of my favorite experimental composers, Pauline Oliveros, says, “it’s not people performing experiments on the music, but the music is an experiment on the self.” I think that’s a beautiful way of looking at it. 

Elijah Cook and Nathaniel Woolley. October 2021: “One cried, “God bless us!” and “Amen” the other, / as they had seen me with these hangman’s hands.”

Tell us about how we can experience the calendar. It sounds like there is a website where people can experience some of the past work…

The archive is kind of fun, if you want to take a look on the website. I’ll definitely say that with the Performance Calendar, it's up to us each month whether or not we want to create any kind of formalized thing for an audience — so sometimes it's just something that happens between the two of us more than some kind of outward facing art making. But some cool stuff has collected over the past three years that you can check out, and if you want to follow along with this year I’m trying to be good about updating and letting people know what’s going on.

Fluxus sort of chooses to happen wherever it happens. Sometimes I don’t even feel like I’m in control. It’ll happen. And I’ll be there. And I’ll try to tell people when it’s happening if you want to be there as well.

Having spent time at NYU before you came back to Utah to go to Westminster, what do you think of the experimental dance and music scenes here in Salt Lake?

Salt Lake has such a robust dance scene in relation to the size of the city. So that’s really delightful. I’ve found that the experimental music scene isn’t quite as visible here, but there’s actually really cool stuff happening if you look for it. Dancers are so good at mobilizing and going to see each other’s work — I want them to all go to see all the music things too so that we can all talk about it together. And start collaborating…

Who should we have our eyes (or ears) on?

NOVA Chamber Music Series is doing good work and has been programming some great contemporary rep lately. The Utah Symphony and Opera tend to be a bit more conservative in their programming, but sometimes they’ll have interesting stuff to watch out for, and a lot of their individual players branch off into small chamber music projects that put on cool concerts now and again. There are also some great new music folks working at the University of Utah and Westminster, and they’ve been making some fun experimental stuff happen. College concerts might not always be something that you’d think to prioritize, but I’d highly recommend checking out some of their work. 

I’ll also shamelessly plug my mentor’s music duo. His name is Devin Maxwell, and he and his wife Katie Porter, who is an amazing clarinetist, have a great group called Red Desert Ensemble. They play some really excellent stuff, and I have Devin to thank for my relationship to experimental art to begin with. He was my percussion professor at Westminster — I had transferred after my sophomore year at NYU, and had such a bad experience with the percussion department there that I thought I was done with music completely. Devin totally turned that around. 

It’s so good when people can come along and save your relationship to an art form…

I was very lucky to have met him and been able to study with him. He’s actually how I first got introduced to Fluxus. He and Katie have invited me to play with Red Desert a few times, and several years ago we went up to Casper, Wyoming to play a Morton Feldman piece. There’s this little community college up there that has a thriving new music program. I think the program director just figures, “let’s play new music, no one really knows we’re up here so let’s just go for it…”

So I showed up with Devin and Katie to play the Feldman piece for this New Music Day the school was putting on, and they did a Fluxconcert prior to the “actual” concert. And I was standing there thinking, “this is the greatest thing I’ve ever seen.” People were pouring water into tubas and torn textbook pages were flying through the air and someone was running around with a blow dryer as the music started — it was so fun to experience. 

I got back to Salt Lake and said, “Fluxus will start happening here,” and I immediately started IAC.

IAC — I love how nondescript the name is…

It’s a little bit of a music joke as well because IAC stands for imperfect authentic cadence — a perfect authentic cadence is how music often ends, like a V to I or [sings a conventional resolving harmony] — an imperfect authentic cadence is still a V to I chord, but some of the pitches move in directions you don’t expect so there’s less of a sense of finality when music ends…

IAC is the beta version of an interdisciplinary company I want to start in the future. I’m not sure if I’ll end up in Salt Lake permanently, but in its evolved form I hope to take IAC wherever I go. 

And the performance calendar I am intending to do for the rest of my life.

Really? Year after year?

Every year. Fluxus opens up so much space for experimentation and decision-making, and I get to determine what successfully fulfilling the project means to me, as long as it’s a good-faith decision. So maybe I’m ninety and I don’t want to make art for one month, but I just decide to experiment with drinking a cup of tea and that’s that.

The long game.

The long game.

2021 End-of-Year Report

This past year, even as we’ve had to move between in-person and online modes of work due the the pandemic, we’ve set new seasonal patterns to fulfill our mission of supporting experimental dance and performance here in Utah. Below, we’ll recap what we’ve accomplished, but first, I want to talk a little bit about the journal and the blog and introduce a new feature.

In 2021, we published our latest print journal Conversation Pieces, available to order here through Lulu. On our website, we’ve published over fifty new pieces of original dance journalism by dozens of local writers covering hundreds of new and historical dances. According to our analytics, we estimate that these pieces have reached more than 20,000 readers — we also share our work through our brilliant partner Artists of Utah/15 Bytes.

What I love about Conversation Pieces, is that it captures the energy and passion of dancers talking about dance. Like live performance itself, this is something we’ve all been missing when it’s been in short supply during the pandemic. This energy can be felt in Alex Barbier’s lively interview with Uprooted director Khadifa Wong, and in Halie Bahr’s conversations with Molly Heller, Dominica Greene and Queer Spectra’s organizing team.

We remain committed to fostering dialogue and paying dance artists to write about their peers’ work. We’re introducing a new feature on the site, which has been a part of the last two print journals, called Briefly Noted. It’s essentially an opportunity for our writers to bring us mini-reviews, shorter impressions of multiple performances in a single flash — for reference, think of The New Yorker’s events pages.

Our journalism efforts are expensive and we need your support to keep them going. Click here to make a donation.

A rainbow seen this summer at Halie Bahr’s loveDANCEmore-sponsored performance at Liberty Park

New Work in 2021

In the spring of 2021, our Only the Lonely platform — the first year of our now-annual artists-in-residence cycle — presented new work by eight artists across Utah and one guest from South Korea. Read about it here and here and watch some of it here.

In the fall, we presented twelve artists and eight original works at our new Sunday Series at the Rooftop at Spy Hop. Watch some highlights below from the last show of 2021, an evening with Jordan Danielle (video by Benjamin Ukoh-eke)…

Fiscal Sponsorship and Artists’ Support

loveDANCEmore has hosted independent artist projects since 2011 and fiscally sponsored artist projects since 2014. Fiscal sponsorship is a way for independent artists to access funding streams and opportunities usually only available to registered non-profits.

Since 2014, we’ve sponsored Molly Heller, Katherine Call, Nichele Woods, Breeanne Saxton, Karin Fenn, Natosha Washington, Graham Brown, Movement Forum, Tanja London's Speakers’ Corner, and Erica Womack, among others. This year, we were happy to support the work of Interdisciplinary Arts Collective for their durational performance of Erik Satie’s Vexations, discussed in this digest piece, through the use of our Marley floor.

Finding affordable rehearsal space is one of the greatest challenges facing independent choreographers and performance makers in Utah. loveDANCEmore doesn’t have a space of its own, but we’re here to help. Many venues offer lower rates to non-profits or to groups of artists who can bundle their efforts and rent many hours of space at a time. We are here to help facilitate. If you’re working in Salt Lake County, we suggest you begin your space search with Sugar Space, The HERC, UAA and the many facilities for rehearsal and performance owned by Salt Lake County taxpayers. With some administrative work, you should be able to find space for between $5 and $15 per hour. Ask us for help.

When booking a venue, we can also help you with insurance, aiding you in finding volunteers, and other things that make performances possible. We own a reversible white/dark grey Marley floor, two video cameras, several tripods, and a variety of DIY construction worker-style lights which are available to rent at modest fees which cover the cost of delivery. We also love helping out with grant writing, moderating post-performance discussions, and facilitating classes and workshops in conjunction with your performances and other events. We are also happy to distribute our performance journals at your events, usually free of charge.

To inquire more about these services, write to sam@lovedancemore.org or call 801.915.0625.

Ashley Anderson Dances

Ashley Anderson Dances is excited to announce that we’ll be showing witch dance again this fall, likely at a Sunday Series performance. This past year, Ashley continued her work with the BTS Program at the University of Utah, her advocacy for arts education, and her work supporting arts in K-12 settings through Arts Integration Club — which provides free arts lesson plans to educators. loveDANCEmore also provided outdoor dance classes in the spring to children whose families weren’t ready for them to attend class indoors.

We were also thrilled to present Ashley’s dear old familiar in the spring through Only the Lonely and again this November at the Alfred Lambourne Program’s annual arts showcase at Sugarspace.

As the parent organization of loveDANCEmore, Ashley Anderson Dances wishes to the thank the Salt Lake City Arts Council, Salt Lake County Zoo Arts and Parks, the Utah Division of Arts and Museums, John and Martha Veranth, the City Library, Spy Hop, and all of our individual donors and volunteers. Happy New Year!

Ishmael Houston-Jones talks to Ching-I Chang

Ching-I Chang and I originally met at the American Dance Festival in the early 2000s when Ching-I was an undergrad at Shenandoah University. After completing her BA at the University of Utah, she lived for a time in New York, later returning to Salt Lake City to receive an MFA, also from University of Utah. Recently she choreographed and performed How Forests Dream, an immersive dance at Fou Gallery in Brooklyn, New York, August 2021. We got together one recent afternoon to chat at The Chai Spot, a quiet, peaceful café in that blurry border between Manhattan’s Chinatown and Little Italy.

— Ishmael Houston Jones

I, probably tactlessly, opened by asking her “what did you think of my improv class at ADF?”

Ching-I Chang: [after a pause] I’m not sure. I think it was an opening...

Ishmael Houston-Jones: What were you studying before that?

Ching-I: Dance. Dance all the way. All kinds, because in Taiwanese training you have to do everything – Chinese Dance, Ballet, Modern, Improv. Jazz and Hip Hop classes on the weekend on my own time.

IHJ: When did you come to New York the first time?

Ching-I: 2009.

IHJ: And what were you doing here?

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Ching-I: Trying to find dance work like everyone else. [She laughs.]

IHJ: Did you? Who did you work with?

Ching-I: I was actually lucky because Gesel Mason was our choreographer for our senior piece at the U, so I just contacted her and said, “I’m here and I want to work with you.” And I had a great time working with her. I can relate to her process because she emphasizes a lot of improvisation and social justice work. At that time, she was working on a piece called Women, Sex and Desire: Sometimes You Feel Like a Ho; Sometimes You Don’t — that’s the whole title. So she was like, “Why don’t you come to DC and travel with the rest of the cast.” Most of the cast was living in NYC and we’d go down to Washington on the weekends to have long rehearsals. Gesel’s piece was my first professional job.

IHJ: I love Gesel. How did you make the decision to go back to Utah to get your MFA?

Ching-I: I was dancing very intensely in NYC, because, you know as an immigrant you have to work continuously to receive your Artist Visa (O-1), to build up your resume. So I was constantly dancing with anyone, sometimes dancing for free. So after five years, I was basically burned out, and intellectually I felt that I needed something more. I also wanted to start to teach and also my mom kept saying, “Why don’t you get your MFA?” –– you know Asian mothers, they’re always thinking about your future. [She laughs.] So I said, yeah, why not?

IHJ: Let me back up a bit, how did you choose University of Utah to do you bachelor’s?

Ching-I: I was there for my undergraduate for two years and I felt I wasn’t getting anything from that time because I had finished most of my physical training at my previous school, Shenandoah University. So at the U I was doing most of the academic requirements like math, English, etcetera, just trying to finish my undergraduate education, so I didn’t feel like I was having that much physical learning there, but I appreciated what they were teaching. So after five years here, I thought maybe I should go back there and actually find out what that place and the people there can teach me.

IHJ: And were you happy with what happened?

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New work and new ways of seeing

More and more presenters are reopening, having “homecomings,” or even being “reborn” as one rather effusive email I opened recently declared. It remains to be seen — will we really do things differently now that COVID is “over”? (It’s not.) 

If so, how?

Despite my saltiness — perhaps I’m absorbing more of it as the lake dries up — I do think there’s evidence that people are stumbling through in slightly new and different ways. This is healthy, reassuring and sometimes slightly awkwardly, and I don’t mean that in a bad way. 

Here in Salt Lake City, UtahPresents opened their new season with a performance by SALT. Several people I spoke to were excited about the idea of the university presenting a local company. The shape of the show itself also represented a change from the typical script — it began in the lobby with a man in coveralls (not quite a techie, more of a backstage grease monkey) declaring that he was filling in for a missing presenter. (My companion immediately spotted the gag.)

This supposedly ersatz host then escorted us through the first tier (where we witnessed the first bit of dancing) to a stairwell (where we were treated to an a cappella rendition of “Ain’t Misbehaving”) to the alley east of the building where one of our fellow audience members “fell in love” and ran off with one of the performers in a choreographic fit of nostalgia for the “simpler times” of forties or fifties American pop culture.

It was fun to see the theater, and then the backstage, deconstructed and de-formalized this way. The nostalgia got to be tiresome — opportunities to trouble the waters with a dose of historical reality we’re missed, and the tension between high and low brow that the guide’s character hinted at also remained underdeveloped. Still, it was a refreshing pleasure to see skilled full-bodied dancing, particularly at close range — the company’s dancers have much to offer.

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Municipal Ballet also recently presented a season opener with a celebratory vibe and in non-traditional setting. The alleyway behind Fischer Brewing made for a convivial viewing experience for the SLC premiere of their new work Daughter of Zion, which was made while artistic director Sarah Longoria was in residence at Zion National Park. After not seeing people for several months it’s refreshing to sit next to someone you know, only to have them stand up to play the violin or join in one of the evening’s fleeting sculptural meditations.

Brolly Arts, long an on-and-off supporter of independent dance in Utah, brought an evening of Black choreographers — Natosha Washington, jo Blake and Ursula Perry — paired with a film (below) about the Black experience in Utah since the civil rights era, specifically highlighting the achievements of a handful of Black educators who rose through the ranks of an often hostile K-12 system in our state. It was nice to see the three solos by these well-loved artists again — especially in a context which invited the audience to consider their impact as educators as well as artists. (If you’re interested in seeing how this non-traditional space functions, come see loveDANCEmore’s Sunday Series this weekend.)

A couple of my favorite recent events in this vein have been very small shows — one in a basement and one in a barn. (Well, the Art Barn.)

Aaron Smith playing “Vexations” by Erik Satie on the piano, photo by Dani Mendez.

Aaron Smith playing “Vexations” by Erik Satie on the piano, photo by Dani Mendez.

“Vexations” is a musical work by Erik Satie, written near the end of the nineteenth century. Usually performed on the piano, the piece consists of a short theme the interpreter is expected to play eight hundred and forty times. This August, pianist Aaron Smith teamed up with Interdisciplinary Arts Collective, known locally for their interpretations of Fluxus and other historical performance art scores, to mount a thirty-six hour staging of Satie’s piece in the basement of one of the buildings owned by the church at the corner of 800 East and 900 South.

My parent’s house is near this space and I visited the performance before and after having dinner with my dad and sisters. When we stopped in before our meal, Indigo Cook was dancing alone with Smith who looked exhausted. It was fascinating enough to watch him playing the same strains over and over, emphases shifting as he struggled to stay awake and present. Cook added another layer. Where Smith seemed to be slipping through each repetition there was something more determined in Cook’s dancing. I don’t know if I saw this because the context suggested it, but there was something of the old school, the early twentieth century in the assertiveness of her body — not the contrived melodrama you see in reconstructions of Graham work, but something of the abandon that we don’t quite seem capable of as “modern” dancers living in the present time.

When I came back later, the whole ensemble was improvising together on movement themes choreographed in loose relation to the music’s bones. Nora Lang’s playful attendance to energy stood out, but there was a lovely collective sense of carrying the group to the finish line.

The piece I saw at the Art Barn was Stephanie García’s demanding but beautiful solo Vanished Vibrations, presented as a part of García’s Flash Project residency, made in collaboration with PROArtes México, Punto de Inflexión Dance Company and video artist Peter Hay. I found the opening of this solo particularly moving. It began with García, seated on a plinth with a red flower held between her lips. As she descended, she took a small potted plant with her which she eventually carried on her back while slowly crawling from one side of the room to the other. Along the way there were many danced digressions, passages of pure movement where she seemed to tumble down a spiral into some region of mind that demanded her body and attention for a spell. Eventually she arrived at a corner where a handheld light passed to an audience member became the sole illumination.

Eventually this piece became about several recognizable themes: a reclamation of García own body, feminist protest movements in Latin America and beyond, a kinesthetic acknowledgement of the dozens of women murdered in Mexico every week. Even as García carried such heavy content (as well as a prop that at least momentarily read as a body bag) she seemed to loose her curiosity about the couple dozen bodies, in darkness and penumbra that were taking her in.

There were moments of tenderness — a disposable mask she put on when an audience member helped her hang a piece of twine; the care with which she hung up articles of clothing presumably representing lost lives; even the delicateness of a passage we all eventually traversed to the back of the building where she danced with Hay’s video — a brittle threshold of corn husks.

Samuel Hanson is the executive director and editor of loveDANCEmore.

Cat + Fish in conversation

In preparation for covering their recent show, loveDANCEmore writer Arin Lynn sat down (over Zoom) with four of the artists who help comprise Cat + Fish, a local group that has been major player in the dance scene here in Salt Lake since 2014. Arin spoke with Cat Kamrath (artistic director, choreographer), Daniel Do (assistant director, choreographer and founding company member), Mar Undag (choreographer and project co-director for Fragments), and Emma Sargent (company dancer since 2018). This conversation has been edited for clarity.

Arin Lynn: What were your inspirations for the dances you just premiered?

Cat Kamrath: Gathering I looks at how we emerge from the pandemic (whatever that means now…) with a new embodied sense of self and how this knowing comes back into relationship with another. Phrase work was created based on dancer + choreographer descriptions of the sense + stretch of skin,  what it means to meet + match, and relationship to self, others, + environment. Approaching this as a work in progress allowed for there to be more focus on workshopping and coming back to our dancing bodies. 

Daniel Do: In this piece, my dancers and I explored emotions/feelings that arose inside of the pandemic with various directives and improvisational tasks and scores. 

Mar Undag: For this piece, I was just so excited to be in a live process with other humans again. I had an idea of what I wanted to create but I wanted to keep a sense of play and have the artists approach the process like a study so that it feels like it is every evolving and changing regardless of there being any ‘set’ things or not. I didn’t want to ascribe meaning to any of the movement/phrases, but instead for each of us to have our own relationship and understanding of the material we created. 

Arin: What is it like being back in the studio and navigating partnering after so long living in contactless or minimal contact dance?

Cat: I started teaching back in the studio in September 2020, but I hadn’t created collaboratively since our last Cat + Fish project in 2019. Creating this work took more time than in the past. There was definitely longer processing to create, longer settling of the choreography in the body, and lots of workshopping of the partnering moments. I tried to prioritize conversation and listening in my process so my dancers could feel safe and supported as we created. 

Emma Sargent: If I am being completely honest, I felt a lot of apprehension about returning to a physical partnering practice after more than a year of distanced-only dancing. There is an undeniable vulnerability in sharing our corporeal selves, in all of their messiness, with others. My newfound nervousness was particularly frustrating because partnering has always been one of my favorite modes of dance-making. I felt very valued and held by the company during the process of re-learning how to touch and be touched. There were many awkward moments – when I stumbled trying to lift someone; when I realized that I was tensing my body whenever someone entered my “bubble;” when I hesitated before placing a hand on a friend’s shoulder… I am filled with gratitude for Cat and other members of the company who set an example of how to engage with touch thoughtfully by communicating clear boundaries.

Arin: Fragments was a works in progress showcase, how do you (the choreographer/s) envision these dances evolving in the future?

Cat: Our hope is to bring these works back in 2022 with some more rehearsal time, editing, and creating. I think our dancers would also like to come back to their bodies a bit more and develop clarity in the movement and partnering more. In past Cat + Fish Dances performances, we have quickly created work and then moved on to the next. We are looking forward to spending extended time investigating this work. I am currently feeling that Gathering I should be a quartet instead of a trio so that is my next place of exploration. We have no confirmed timeline yet (hopefully coming soon!), but we do want to revisit these three works again and perhaps present some others. 

We don’t have our next project scheduled, but we will make sure to post about it as soon as we do. Audiences can find us on Facebook and Instagram at @catandfishdances. Our website will be going through a re-design so stay tuned for that reveal. 

Arin Lynn is a movement artist, multimedia artist, and hoosier based in Salt Lake City. They have recently had the pleasure of working with local organizations such as Finch Lane Flash Projects, 12 Minutes Max, and Queer Spectra Arts Festival. Outside of art, Arin enjoys fried food and collecting vinyls.

The New Faces of RDT

As we emerge from the COVID-19 pandemic, Salt Lake City is concentrated with artistic animation — it seems everyone is perpetually on the move. In times of dramatic change and transition, artists have found ways to keep dancing; performing companies such as Repertory Dance Theater strive to embrace adaptability in their organization. 

The company welcomes two new dancers with a spirit of excitement to their 2021-22 season. I had the pleasure of interviewing both new dancers, Lindsey Faber and Megan O’Brien. I virtually met with each dancer to discuss our thoughts on dance in Salt Lake City. They shared with me their arts stories, pandemic experiences, and aspirations for the upcoming year. The following is a coalescence of these two conversations.

Dancing in Utah since the beginning of their training, Lindsey Faber and Megan O’Brien felt strongly tethered to their teachers and expressed how those influences brought them to RDT. Each dancer felt drawn to the community that RDT created.

Faber: I grew up dancing at Tanner Dance at the University of Utah, which was founded by Virginia Tanner — one of the same original founders of RDT — so I grew up admiring [RDT] and hearing great things about [them] and their dancers. Quite a few of their alumni were my teachers. I think that’s what drew me to them, seeing my phenomenal teachers be a part of their community that they foster. Then, as I got older, we had lots of workshops from them at my high school and I, throughout college, kept doing their workshops. I loved the positive environment that they fostered.

O’Brien: I actually wasn’t introduced to Modern until I was in high school. I had two teachers in high school, Natosha Washington and Nathan Shaw. Nathan Shaw danced for RDT and Natosha Washington was also very closely associated with [RDT], having choreographed and danced with them a lot . . . I attended the University of Utah — and then from there I started to get to know RDT and I made friends with a lot of the dancers who were on the company. Lynne Larsen — who is the education director of RDT — was one of my professors in college, [and] through them is how I got my teaching jobs out of college; meeting her, learning the RDT style — that’s how it all connected. Just being in community with the people around me and having conversations [to] get to know them.”

When reflecting on Salt Lake’s dance community, both dancers agreed that the valley had helped them to create strong professional connections with the artists around them.

O’Brien: I think that something that is really special about [Salt Lake City] is everybody is connected in some sort of way. I meet people and they know people I know, indirectly — through some sort of show or through school. A big part of that is there are a lot of us that support art, arts education, and the traveling and developing nature of art and what that means as a culture. People in our community are so brave, I think. We have a lot of brave artists that are willing to stand up and say, “this is important, and this is important” and be consistent about it. There’s no flakiness to the community. We are all finding a way to support each other.

Faber: I think that what makes Salt Lake City so special in terms of dance is how the community is not small by any means, but it feels that way. It feels like you get to know so many people in the dance community easily. I feel that in other larger cities and places I’ve been, you just go around the same community without meeting the same people twice. What's great about taking class in Utah in general is that you run into the same people over and over again, and that gives you a chance to get to know different creative artists on a deeper level. That’s what I love about the Salt Lake arts community, it's not small but it feels like a hometown to me.

Megan O’Brien, photo by Logan Sorenson.

Megan O’Brien, photo by Logan Sorenson.

Lindsey especially felt that the multifaceted dance training she had received in Salt Lake City led her to Boston, where the lessons she learned prepared her to accept this position with RDT.

Faber: Through Tanner Dance I was made ready for this [position] because they really focus on dance as a whole. Dance is about the individual, but when you are in a group dance with a lot of people it's [also] about the art as a whole. Learning how to efficiently work with others was important and [Tanner Dance] taught me and all their students well how to do that—work as a community, as a company. I also went to Salt Lake School for the Performing Arts for my high school career, and there they prepared me in a way that I became a more organized, well thought out, and smart dancer. Bethany Hansen — who is the [dance conservatory] director of Salt Lake School for the Performing Arts — taught me discipline in a good and positive way. After graduating high school, I went to Boston Conservatory; I feel like there they taught me confidence in myself. After being there and learning with my professors I gained another level of confidence in myself that I don’t think I had before. You need to have confidence in yourself and your abilities to be a professional dancer — otherwise you might get knocked down and not be able to stand back up. I learned how to get knocked down and stand back up on my own. Those attributes of community, discipline, organization, confidence, and all-around flexibility are things that I learned from all of those institutions and am excited to implement with RDT.

Megan felt as though her own experience within her dance journey gave her a unique perspective that she is excited to share within her administrative, teaching, and performing work.

O’Brien: I’ve had an interesting dance journey because… I have a chronic illness — I have a connective tissue disorder and a disorder that makes my autonomic system malfunction. The past couple years I’ve had two major surgeries that I’ve had to recover from. As a dancer we are so close to our bodies — I've had to learn a lot about taking care of myself and do that in a way where I’m not comparing myself to other people and not getting stuck in this trap of [thinking] “I’m not as strong as this person.” What I would like to contribute to RDT is that kind of diversity in experience with my body. I can bring my hard work and my individual approach — because I have to approach things a different way, because of how my body works. I bring that gratitude to the company and [I] represent a different kind of dancer. We all struggle with our bodies and mine has been through a sensitive journey — I don’t want people with similar injuries from chronic illnesses to feel like they have to completely give up. [I believe] that [dance] can be a part of their life in different ways. I want to continue with the education aspect [of RDT and teach] the idea that ‘everybody can dance’ and ‘movement is dance,’ and that it's really healthy physically but also emotionally. For kids, and students, and adults — everyone of different ages.

Lindsey similarly expressed her desire to become a dance educator and immerse herself in teaching.

Faber: So many of my teachers and professors along the way have inspired me. I want to become a good teacher because I had so many great ones — and so I hope I can do that for the Salt Lake community as well. I hope that I can bring my outside experiences of living in Boston, among other things, and maybe that will mean something to somebody. Maybe I can give a certain correction or note that is different and clicks with somebody that it hasn’t before. I think that is something I’d really like to bring and strive. There are already so many great teachers in the community — I would love to learn from them and hopefully become one someday.

When discussing the pandemic, each dancer reflected on how they had grown artistically during quarantine. Megan and Lindsey agreed that physical and mental wellness should contribute to the art we create and the process that makes it.

Lindsey Faber, photo by Logan Sorenson.

Lindsey Faber, photo by Logan Sorenson.

O’Brien: There’s a lot of things [in the pandemic] that were gifts wrapped up in really ugly wrapping paper. I think that at the start, there were online dance classes that came about and there were these opportunities to take from teachers we can’t locally access in Utah. I remember taking a Gaga class, and there were 600 people on the Zoom [meeting] and I imagine they were from all over the world... the opportunity to be expanding our opportunities while at home [was amazing]. Obviously, I went through a phase where I was like, “I don’t even have the energy to take dance classes in my living room, this is exhausting,” and that was good for me too. I’m constantly in this battle with myself about rest and what is the appropriate amount of rest. How rest can help me rather than make me feel like I’m falling behind. It was a good lesson to learn that dance will always be there, and I can take a break. I can walk, I can swim, I can lay on my floor—and it will still inform my dance journey and my creativity. One of the big things that happened in the beginning [of the pandemic] was it gave me some space to get to know myself a little better, outside of just being a dancer that goes into the studio to train. It expanded a lot of my views on creativity.

Faber: I think not losing the joy in [dance], for me [was important]. At the very beginning of the pandemic, it felt a little less joyful because I was completing my degree online and it was honestly really hard. During the summer I decided to get a group of my friends together [to] dance and create together. I think that’s where I re-found the joy in dance. The biggest thing I’ll take [from the pandemic] is that you do it because you love it — you do it because it’s for you. Yes, it's for an audience most of the time but I have to remember that I am dancing because it's for me. It's not for vain gains or anything like that. Sometimes I feel like if I don’t move in a day — whether it's walking or hiking — I go crazy. Dance is my way of keeping my life together.

Both dancers used the phrase “showing up” as a way of describing their connection to the arts. They felt that by standing in rapport with the artists and institutions that encircle us, we uplift the entire dance community.

O’Brien: Community is so important. How you show up to people relationally is how people will see you show up to work. They want to work with people they feel they can trust and can get to know… something that Lindsey and I have learned is that showing up to things to be seen is really important. I know that in this time it's kind of tricky — but [now] you’re showing up on Zoom for a Q&A or for a class, because that then builds the community, and you’ll meet people that you can continue to get to know and work with in the future. I’ll also say that you should continue with that adaptability and work on yourself—that is most important. If you can be your best self—the self [in which] you know how to push your limits and how to take care of yourself — then you will be able to show up and ask for what you want and what you need. I think that is the most professional and healthy thing to do as a dancer.” 

I concluded our interviews by asking Lindsey and Megan what advice they had to give for budding artists seeking a career in dance during this time. The two dancers emphasized the importance of prioritizing personal health, wellness, and development as the foundation for a successful career. 

Faber: My best advice is — I know it's easier to say it and harder to do — don’t give up. I worked so hard on trying to find a bunch of different options before this RDT endeavor was presented to me… there is no shame in going back to school if that is the easiest place for you to find consistent practice. I was heavily thinking about going back to grad school before this opportunity was presented to me. I would say just don’t give up on striving for what you want. Take any opportunity that comes your way. If you think it would be beneficial, then take it and go with it. I think that's been positive for me — you want to plan during this time, but it is hard to create solid plans. So, you have to take it as it comes and be flexible and pivot when you need to pivot.

O’Brien: At the end of the day, whether you dance for a company, you dance projects, [or] you work freelance — what you’re going to have at the end of all that is yourself. You want to care for and not neglect that because unfortunately you can’t dance forever. I think that is something about one of my favorite artists, Bebe Miller, [who] came and worked with RDT. I was able to sit in on some classes and rehearsals [to] watch and listen [to her] — she was talking about how she goes sailing, and [how] that makes her a better dance artist. I love that she said that. All these different parts of ourselves are going to inform, curate, and fuel our creativity and longevity. If we are always in the studio we are going to get burnt out. Living who you are is really important.

Brianna Bernhardt is a current loveDANCEmore intern and a BFA candidate in the U of U’s School of Dance. She aims to cultivate creative excellence and promote academia within the arts through her role as a student leader and freelance artist. She enjoys going to museums, reading books, and long walks without destinations. Find her on instagram @bybriannabernhardt.

Retiring RW & RDT dancers Bashaun Williams & Jaclyn Brown

With summer upon us, many artists are turning the page and stepping into new chapters of their careers. I recently had the enormous pleasure of speaking with two of Salt Lake’s very own — Bashaun Williams from Ririe-Woodbury Dance Company and Jaclyn Brown from Repertory Dance Theatre, both of whom are retiring from their respective companies.

At a young age, Williams was passionate about basketball but began dancing in his junior year of high school when he performed in Yvonne Racz-Key’s production of The Nutcracker. Racz-Key eventually convinced him to take ballet classes, and her encouragement, coupled with Williams’ competitive drive, sparked his dedication to dance. He relocated to Salt Lake City to complete his undergraduate degree in ballet at the University of Utah, and eventually moved on to perform with RW, where he has been for the past ten years.

Jaclyn Brown began dancing at a very young age and eventually started competing and doing conventions. She moved away from her home at age sixteen and transferred to a different high school so she could train more intensively. Her path briefly led her to Odyssey Dance Theatre, then to the pre-professional performing company at Utah Valley University, and eventually to RDT, which she has been a part of for the past seven years.

I virtually met with Williams and Brown separately. Below is an amalgamation of snippets from the two conversations.

– Sofia Sant’Anna-Skites, loveDANCEmore intern

Bashaun Williams, photo by Tori Duhaime.

Bashaun Williams, photo by Tori Duhaime.

What was one of the most memorable or impactful dances you performed with RW or RDT and why?

Bashaun Williams: I think the most impactful one was a dance I got to be a part of my very first season. It was because I was young — I was only 21 years old — and it was created as a response to the 9/11 tragedy. It was a piece called GRID by Brook Notary and the best thing about it is it was a super athletic piece… it required me to still be in touch with my physicality. Brook really asked us to be ourselves in the piece. And I felt like remembering how old I was and what I went through when [the tragedy] happened really helped play a role in me being able to physicalize it on stage. Going through that whole process of the piece... then coming out the other end was a physical exhaustion that made it feel like a transformation was always happening.

Photo of Jaclyn Brown by Sharon Kain.

Photo of Jaclyn Brown by Sharon Kain.

Jaclyn Brown: It’s really hard to choose because everything we do has so much variety, so there are some classical works that I really loved doing [and] there are some more contemporary works that I loved. [It] felt good in this last concert to be able to revisit [José Limón’s] Mazurkas, which is a piece I did my first year in the company, and just kind of have that full-circle moment of, “Wow, when I first did this I didn't even know how to suspend [or] release.” And now, in the peak of my career I’m doing it again and feel like I was able to accomplish that. We’ve worked with Danielle Agami two separate times — and that’s probably my favorite piece of all time — Theatre, by Danielle Agami. She was a choreographer who came in and was just very straightforward with all of us and I appreciated that. It was very refreshing to have her just come in and say, “You have to really try something new; you have to try to achieve these new sensations that I’m asking you to do.” Also Dabke by Zvi Gotheiner... that’s a piece I did before I was pregnant, while I was pregnant, and after I was pregnant. While I was pregnant I was a bit more limited. Nobody else knew I was pregnant so that was quite a mental journey and something I had to overcome. And afterwards it felt very triumphant to be able to return to dance. So that was really special for me to be able to revisit that so many times in so many different stages of my life.

Williams with other members of Ririe-Woodbury. Photo by Stuart Ruckman.

Williams with other members of Ririe-Woodbury. Photo by Stuart Ruckman.

What will you miss most about being in the company?

Williams: Ah, you’re hitting me with all these hard ones! Honestly this is another open-ended question... there’s just so many aspects. I’m gonna miss dancing with my friends every day... having practice every day and being able to take company classes and knowing that that’s part of the ritual of the company... travelling... and ultimately, I’m gonna miss just having comfort in knowing that I have this job that’s paying me to create art and knowing that it’s a nine-to-five job. And getting to work with different choreographers on a regular basis. So everything — you can just tell them I’m gonna miss everything. Oh, also, one big aspect is the education and outreach the company provides. Ririe-Woodbury is known for teaching and sharing the love of dance with kids of all ages. So I think the opportunity to teach children on a regular basis is something that hopefully I’ll seek out in my next chapter.

Brown: I think what’s hard about transitioning into doing more freelancing work is [that] I am the master of my own self now. I’m the master of my own schedule and what I want to do, which in a way is harder because at RDT, you simply just exist out of the company and wonderful opportunities come through the door every day. So it wasn’t like I was doing a lot of the legwork to make that happen, and now that I’m starting to make this transition, I’m starting to realize how much has to be done on my part to make sure that I get into the classes or the places I need to be to get the work that I want to do. And also... just having [a] reputation kind of built in is different than me trying to start over... I feel like I’m having to reinvent the way people see me, so that’s been very interesting, but I think overall it’s just more work to be out on your own than to be part of an organization that already has all of these opportunities in its wings for you.

Photo of Jaclyn Brown by Sharon Kain.

Photo of Jaclyn Brown by Sharon Kain.

Jaclyn, are there opportunities you’re looking forward to regarding having this freedom to reinvent yourself? Does it excite you at all?

Brown: Absolutely — it really does. You know, being a part of a rep company is really interesting because it’s hard to have an opinion of your own sometimes because you are emulating something very specific in the type of work that we do... like, Martha Graham doesn’t want you commenting on her work... There is this technique [and] there is a way to do it. I’m good at that, because I’m a very Type A person and I like control and specificity and codified things. But what I’m finding now is I’m like, “Woah, the sky's the limit!” I can go do things for camera; I can go do more dance theater stuff... I’ve done a lot, and now I’m like, “what haven’t I done?” But I think that in terms of having more space in my life, mostly I’m just excited to be with my family more, because this job [is] a very demanding one. This profession [is] maybe geared towards people who are single or don’t have children, so I’m excited to have more time to dedicate to my family.

Bashaun, how do you think your time with the company might influence your future endeavors?

Williams: That’s easy. One of the beautiful things about Ririe-Woodbury is that they invest in you as not only as a performer, but also as a teacher... Now I can go out and teach any levels of dance; any techniques of dance... whatever I put my mind to.

Do you know where you’ll be going from here? What’s the next step?

Williams: I wouldn’t say that it’s where I’m going — it’s more how I’m gonna get there. I don’t have a set destination... I just want to play it by ear and there are so many things popping up in my life right now that I just want to make time and make oppornitintes to be present and be fully invested in those — especially in raising this little girl. Williams leans in to kiss his ten-month-old daughter, who has been sitting on his lap, making adorable sounds, and playing with Williams’ computer keys during this entire conversation. Just being a father is really important to me right now, as well as being a husband, and being a friend. So I don’t know what’s next, but I know that when one door closes, another one has to open.

Photo of Jaclyn Brown by Sharon Kain.

Photo of Jaclyn Brown by Sharon Kain.

Brown: It’s tricky because I’m going through a stage of transition where I’m redefining that, but I know that I’m going to grad school [to pursue my MFA at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee]... I know that I’m going to be teaching as an adjunct faculty at UVU this coming fall... I definitely feel like I’m not done performing; I’m just done performing in a full-time capacity... I don’t know what I’m getting into with school. I’m trying to figure out how time-consuming that’s going to be. I don’t want to overcommit myself because that’s what I’ve done for the last seven years.

Do you have any advice you’d like to offer emerging artists and future members of any professional dance company?

Williams: Advice! That’s always hard for me, because I feel like we’re all so unique and so individual, and... I know that the advice someone gave me wouldn’t apply to how I’m here right now. So any advice to give I think would just be to keep a journal. I think that’s one thing I wish I would've done more of with my time — is to actually write down places that I’ve been, people I’ve interacted with, and keep a connection on that basis. I think other advice is to take the time that you need [and] that you’re given — your off-season. Let your body rest... if you’re not taking care of your body by letting it rest and letting it recuperate, then you’re not fueling your sustainability. Drink lots of water. Get lots of sleep. But maybe the biggest thing is to enjoy the process and know that you can always get to where you want to be if you continue to work hard. 

Brown: Making the most out of your time there... The most successful dancers that I’ve seen are very diligent in figuring out a system that works for them to handle [everything]. I always call it “doing your homework.” I don’t think it is a great idea to always leave everything in the studio... there needs to be some sort of engagement for you at home, whether it be... writing the entire dance down... watching a video... or asking [a] friend on their lunch break or their fifteen minute break to just walk through things. I think some people expect to not go that extra mile and they expect more time to be created for them if they’re not getting a dance, and that’s not how it works in my experience in the professional world... Another piece of advice is if you don’t make it to the company setting there is a stage for everybody, so just be really diligent and faithful and if it’s something you want to do, just continue to reimagine how it is that performing will fit into your life... Some of the most successful people I know are people who do freelancing work because they’re like, “Look, I’m really passionate about this, and it kind of ebbs and flows in and out of my life and that doesn’t make me any less than. It actually shows my maturity that I have a lot better of a balance.” So I wish I would have known that — that it doesn’t have to be full-time or nothing... I [also] heard some really great advice that I always think about, and that is that you should always go out when you’re on top instead of waiting to plateau then being like, “Oh maybe this isn’t good for me anymore.” So I’m hoping that’s what I was able to do... And I just wish the new dancers the best of luck. I think it’s a really interesting process from the beginning to the end.

Bashaun Williams, photo by Caytlyn Jannae.

Bashaun Williams, photo by Caytlyn Jannae.

A conversation with Chitrakaavya guest choreographer Bijayini Satpathy

Last week I had the pleasure of sitting down over Zoom with Bijayini Satpathy, a dance artist from India, who recently finished staging a new show, Pranati, An Obeisance, commisioned by Utah’s Chitrakaavya Dance, whose artistic director Srilatha Singh is a frequent contributor to loveDANCEmore.

Satpathy has been called, “a performer of exquisite grace,” by the New Yorker. She was a principal dancer and soloist with Nrityagram Dance Ensemble for over twenty years and has performed, taught, and choreographed all over the world.

Pranati was an incredible experience. It’s certainly among my favorite viewing experiences of the last year or so. Despite my lack of deep knowledge of Indian classical dance in general and Odissi in particular, there was much to appreciate — movement that marries abstraction, narrative and technical rigor, excellent music, and innovative ways of using the camera to simulate and even interrogate the vicissitudes of a live viewing experience. My conversation with Satpathy (which has been edited for clarity) only deepened my appreciation.

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– SBH, editor

Bijayini Satpathy: I was in Utah in August 2019 to present my solo performance, Kalpana, the Realm of the Imagination. Malavika Singh from Utah, used to learn ballet at Ballet West, together we did a presentation and a master class there, in August 2019. She joined the school in India in 2016 where I was teacher, principal dancer, and also director for training. She’s been coming in summers and winters. In June 2020, she started training with me online.

Samuel Hanson: How does that work?

Bijayini: You know, even I was a little snobbish about learning from a medium that is not in-person, not having the teacher in front of you. But actually, in 2019, I was doing a workshop in Atlanta, Georgia, and in my class, I had this dancer. He came from the Bahamas, and, he — oh my God — moved so beautifully. He said that had learned a little bit of Odissi before. So I asked who he learned from and he said, “I don’t know who to call my teacher because it’s mostly from YouTube... and then I realized he’d learned two forms — I went and looked him up and I found that he was dancing Bharatanatyam and Odissi. And both very distinctly — with their very specific elements, so, from that day I changed my mind. He was my turning point.

I find I teach very differently online. I don’t teach on Zoom, that’s a necessity because I live in the very rural outskirts of Bangalore where the internet is really poor. I can’t hold a five minute Zoom conversation.

But a lot of students were interested in learning [during COVID] and so I thought very hard. Also, I had separated from the school I was working with for twenty-five years. I was practicing alone without community and eyes on me for the very first time and I was very nervous about what my body was doing. And then I found a way to look at myself. I was videoing myself constantly. From that came the idea, oh, why don’t I video myself doing the basics, everything, the conditioning, everything that is in the training? So, I took two months and just recorded my practice and then I devised a method of planning lessons with excerpts from my own practice. Basically I sent a few videos to students as one lesson, along with a very detailed PDF supporting the learning. And then I let them learn — study and imitate digitally, cross checking with the PDF — and I’ve realized that it’s actually a much better way of teaching. I feel like the students are very invested and they’re investigating the movements and discovering for themselves the intricacies. In Zoom, I don’t know how it works. I feel a limit to the quantity that can be learned in an hour — in the way I want to explain all the details — it would take a lot of time. So, in this video transmission method, I find that if the student takes one week to ten days: investigates, learns, practices and then submits to me — I find a lot of learning has already taken place. Dance learning is embodied. What they learn from one class in this method they can never forget. They’ve put their mind, body, and practice into it before they submit, and so they always remember it. The mind will always retain this.

Sam: Wow, that’s inspiring…

Bijayini: I enjoy it because it brings me as close to the experience as I get when I teach. I have been teaching very very intensively for a long time — twenty five years — I’ve had residential students who dedicate their lives to learning our art form. So there is a way of teaching that I’ve been used to and this comes very close.

Sam: So you were never in Utah for this process at all?

A still from Pranati, in which we see lighting by Sujay Saple, photographed in Bangalore by Eshna Benegal.

A still from Pranati, in which we see lighting by Sujay Saple, photographed in Bangalore by Eshna Benegal.

Bijayini: No, absolutely not. The two dancers [Prithvi Nayak and Akshiti Roychowdhury, seen above] who do the duets, they have trained some with me. But all three of their pieces [in Pranati] have been in lockdown time.

Sam: Yes, these are the two dancers in India. [The show was shot there and in Salt Lake City.]

Bijayini: Their training has been both online and in-person when for a little while last year things were open. The commute is also difficult. They have to come a long way to me in the outskirts — fifty kilometers. But a lot of the training is online. Even for their final rehearsals, they were going to a studio in Bangalore city and sending videos to me every day.

Sam: That’s amazing. So did you find that stressful?

Bijayini: Stressful, very stressful in a way. Stressful because I don’t know this way of creating work. But at the same time it was a relief that this was going to be on a screen. I was seeing the medium we were going to be presenting it in. So, you know the editing process was in that dimension. Sometimes what we see on video doesn’t work live and what you see in-person doesn’t work for the screen. But because these rehearsal and development processes were on screen, I could say, “oh, this doesn’t work for the screen.” In my head, the pattern works there, and maybe when I am watching these two dancers in front of me it might work, but not on the screen. So that also helped. But, I’ve never worked without seeing the dancers in front of me. That was nerve-wracking for me.

Sam: Tell me about the music.

Bijayini: The music was composed fifty or sixty years ago. These are traditional pieces. When Odissi developed into becoming a classical dance about seventy years ago, the guru whose lineage I am, Guru Kelucharan Mahapatra, created a whole body of work. So, he created the music with the composer then. But the music for this performance, I commissioned a group of musicians in Orissa and I went and recorded them there. Chitrakaavya's commission funded it.

Sam: So these are dances that you learned from your teacher, and you performed them…

Bijayini: Yes, when I was a child I learned them within maybe four or five years. Students learn them. I don’t know how to give you a parallel in terms of say, ballet — maybe it’s something like Swan Lake?

All dancers of this lineage learn these as solo choreography. My students will teach it when they become teachers — it’s just a way of understanding how technique is applied in choreography in various flavors. One is a devotional dance, an invocation. The solo that Malavika Singh did, kind of embodies this idea of sculptures coming together to create movement vocabulary. That was the process of reconstruction of Odissi dance seventy years ago. The third piece explores how dance is subservient to melody. The fourth dance explores how dance develops in storytelling. How do you bring technique together with movement and facial expressions? What does it do to the body when you try to tell stories that are dramatic and epic in scope? Everyone learns these. In solo, they have a different flavor. When you bring it together in a duet — I have only gone so far as a duet in this choreography — it shifts. Also, when Mala does the solo, I have taken liberty to make the piece more interesting to the eye as a solo.

Sam: So, these dances had to be remembered from the sculptures, seventy or so years ago?

Malavika Singh performing in Salt Lake City, videography and editing by Wonderstone Films.

Malavika Singh performing in Salt Lake City, videography and editing by Wonderstone Films.

Bijayini: Yes, not all of them. Let me say this. The piece Mala presents is actually the embodied archive of the reconstruction and revival of Odissi dance. Odissi dance has existed, according to evidence we have in scriptures and cave paintings, for two thousand years in the land of Orissa, or extended Orissa at that time. It has been lost for many reasons, many times. You lose dance for fifty years and that means you lose the blood memory. There’s no trace of what the movement was like then. You have the reference of temple walls that date back to the first century AD. The temple walls are full of beautiful sculptures and reliefs — musicians, dancers and other figures in dancing postures and playing instruments. 

And so the revival process was looking at these sculptural forms and embodying them and creating movement vocabulary — stringing them together. Mala’s solo is structured in a way that it shows that process of recovery. It becomes abstract. It’s a form. It stands alone by itself.  It has a pattern, a neuropathic way of moving. So that’s how Odissi has developed, but only for seventy years, so its a very modern form — thought it has a lot of history — but it’s also a very new form. 

I have done a lot of research cross-referencing the scriptures we have and the dance traditions that have existed in the land of Orissa and thinking, how can we expand the boundary? Because, there is call for that. It’s only existed for seventy years. We should take the liberty… the ways the neurons work in this, we start to move in this and follow the pattern. So, I have expanded the basic vocabulary based on that… Sometime she stops in a posture — a frieze — so you can see that.

Sam: I love the way the camera moved in that piece, having seen so much dance online this year, this was some of the best use of the camera I’ve seen…

Bijayini Satpathy herself in a photo by Mahesh Bhat

Bijayini Satpathy herself in a photo by Mahesh Bhat

Bijayini: Yes, this was my third recorded production. The first was created for Baryshnikov Arts Center early this year. By watching the post-production process — myself on the screen — I realized certain things I wanted to pay attention to. I guided what looks I wanted, what perspective I wished for, so the editing was to my taste. I feel like for anything online, it takes a lot more work. The energy from live interaction is absent. So, what you put out there has to keep the audience’s attention. I would sit at the editing table and I would get bored. But the editing has to be subservient to the melodic and kinetic transitions, otherwise it can very quickly become about showmanship of editing — it has to be logical. I supervised everything through the end. Eshna Benegal, who did the editing, is actually a student of mine. So she knows the form. Each take is edited through maybe six times over, with minute details.

Sam: Can you talk a little bit about the dissolves and double images? I was surprised by how I felt like those served the experience…

Bijayini: Yes, but in some places the cross-dissolves, the double images don’t work... when I watch my work I feel detached from what I am doing... if I am not drawn to something, maybe it doesn’t work. I am not trying to be hypercritical. I investigate why it’s not holding my attention, why it’s not working. Then I give up things I would be very attached to in a live performance, like, where is the curve of the body most highlighted? Is it this angle or another? Sometimes in the camera both angles don’t work. Sometimes I may want to go close to the face. I often say I only watch the eyes of the artists. I get glued to the face, even when I am watching, let’s say, Martha Graham Company. I don’t watch the body or the choreography — I am glued to somebody’s face...

So, sometimes, I thought, okay, we can Zoom in on the eyes, like in the [show’s final] narrative piece, but then that doesn’t work. I feel like the fingertips and the toes of the dancers have to be in the frame. If they’re not in the frame, I’m not getting the whole picture of what the body’s conveying... I am still learning. It’s only my third production for online consumption, I hope that I don’t have to create a whole lot more for the screen.

Sam: Well, the good thing about it is that you get to see stuff from all over the world…

Bijayini: Yes, I just watched this delightful, amazing work by Israel Galván — a phenomenal flamenco artist who has broken all the traditional norms of the form. Have you watched it?

Sam: No, I haven’t…

Bijayini: Please watch, please watch it! Israel Galván’s Maestro de barra… It’s stunning. 

Sam: That’s a great recommendation. What else have you been watching that you recommend?

Bijayini: Some people are really making dance films. Basically this performance is dance, recorded. But some people are saying — and I agree to an extent — that it just doesn’t do it justice, recording it. So they instead are making films with dance. Some of the films by Aditi Mangaldas are very interesting if you want to watch her. She’s premiering a work tonight called Lost in the Forest. I’d love to see how she does it. She’s a Kathak dancer from India. Mark Morris is using his dancers in their own homes — he says something very interesting, he says, “I can’t separate the dancer from the background, which means, somebody has a certain colored couch, or drapes, you know, I can see the door behind and sometimes I ask, what’s behind that...” So, the way he uses those elements are also very interesting to me. I don’t know whether I would do it, but it becomes much more filmmaking with dance than a dance video. It’s a different concept, but I admire looking at it.

Sam: Yeah, I do too. I have one last question for you, I was wondering if you wanted to share some of the stories in these dances. For me, I guess, the last one was the most evidently narrative —

Bijayini: Dramatic!

Sam: Yes! There’s one moment where one of the dancers stops on a dime and her foot is out after a very swift kick. She just stops there all of a sudden there and it’s very striking.

Bijayini: Oh yes, that one is the fourth [and final piece in the show] — it could be a whole volume of stories. This one’s about the ten incarnations of Lord Vishnu, his avatars. We believe Lord Vishnu is one of the holy trinity — there’s a creator, a preserver and a destroyer. And Lord Vishnu is the preserver. How does he preserve? When things go awry, when they go out of balance, the balance between good and evil — at least in a simplistic way we see it that way — Vishnu the preserver comes to set the balance right. So it is believed that until today, Vishnu has taken ten incarnations and come to save the world. The way I look at it, these reflect the evolution of life, the first incarnation is a fish, the second a tortoise, third is a wild boar, fourth is a dwarf, fifth is a half-lion half-man — that’s the balanced image of the dancer you are talking about — then comes a sage, but he also turns into a slayer, and then comes a nobleman, a noble king. Then comes a farmer, an agriculturist, then an enlightened soul — the buddha — and the last they say is yet to come, but it comes as a comet from the sky, on a white horse with double swords. Two swords in his hands and he destroys everything in his path. And for each of these incarnations — why did Vishnu come as this form? — there is a story. For me, it’s also a teaching about the way we have treated the environment... I mean, these are just stories, myths, why did someone feel a need to say God is in the fish? Or that God is in the tortoise? Or the boar? And then God is in a dwarf, a strange looking figure. These stories are asking us to treat everyone with equal respect. That’s my take. In a way I feel the ancestors, through these legends, have tried to teach us to treat the entire creation with kindness and respect, with each episode we are reenacting the stories of why Vishnu came. So, in the case of Meena the fish — in that age, there is a demon — there’s always a bad guy! The demon steals the Vedas — the holy books of knowledge. So, we’re talking about how knowledge is for everyone, it can’t be taken away into the hands of evil... It’s the same thing with these holy books, the Vedas, the secrets of how creation began. This one demon, who becomes extremely powerful, steals the books and hides them in the depths of the oceans. And so when something is in the depth of the ocean, you have to become a creature of the ocean to vanquish it. So Vishnu becomes a huge whale, and destroys and kills the demon and restores the books of knowledge.

Similarly, in the second one with the tortoise — and I won’t tell you all the stories — it begins with the Gods and demons churning the oceans of life — it’s about man’s curiosity — we are still working to become immortal, and also finding our way to the moon and Mars, expanding ourselves to the whole universe. So here, the Gods and demons have a sense that if they churn the ocean, magical objects will come out of the ocean, one of which will be the nectar of immortality. So they use a huge snake as the churning rope — this is physical churning, not mechanical churning. Gods on one side, demons on the other, they use a mountain as the churning rod, and in the middle of the milky ocean, as they are churning, the mountain begins to sink into the depths of the earth. But for the process to complete, the churning must go on. So Vishnu comes as a giant tortoise and holds on his back shell the whole mountain, so that the work can be completed. They say the octagons on the tortoise shell are from the churning — that’s the legend.

And then the one you noticed — half-man, half-lion. It’s talking about religious equality. The father does not believe in a certain deity and the son worships that deity. It’s akin to asking, “If my father is Muslim can I worship Jesus?” can that freedom and integration happen? That is still relevant today. So, the father doesn’t accept the son’s deity and asks “who is this God you worship, where is he?” And the son replies, “My God lives everywhere.” And so the father says, “Does he also live in this pillar, this inanimate pillar?" And he says, “yeah, of course, He lives everywhere.” So the demon-father breaks open the pillar and out comes Vishnu as half-man, half-lion. The father — demon though he is — has obtained a boon that he can’t be killed by bare hands or weapons, he can be killed neither indoors nor outdoors, by neither animal nor man, neither in the day nor at night. So Vishnu comes out at twilight, as half-man, half-lion, he holds the demon on his lap at the threshold — neither outside nor inside — and tears his stomach out with his nails — neither weapon nor bare hand. It is in this manner that he is destroyed.

Sam: Wow…

Bijayini: And in the dance, it’s very quick, a minute or a half minute per story. So it’s very important for the dancers to understand the context and how we’re interpreting the stories... I find the relevance of these stories — they were simply told as Grandma stories to us — in finding respect for the creation, for the universe. Retelling these stories from our perspective is very very important. The dancers need to understand them, everything they learn is technique — they have to practice for years to get comfortable — to be convincing. To emerge as this fierce being, the superhero, we don’t know what this being might feel like with a half-lion human body — just to embody that. It goes on. It would be a long session if I told you all of these stories...

Sam: Well, I appreciate hearing them. They add to my appreciation of the dances. In that last piece I almost felt like I was watching a song or a ballad, with choruses that repeated certain elements and verses that told different stories…

Bijayini: You’re right, there is a chorus, it comes back to saying “Praise of Lord Vishnu...” and in rhythmic punctuation between the stories the dancers continue the theme of the prior story. So, if it was the half-man half lion, the dance that follows carries the resonance of that narrative... and then it transitions to the next incarnation and the next and the next.

Sam: Thank you so much. I hope we get to talk again. I learned so much. 

Bijayini: Thank you, thank you for taking the time. 

The show we discussed above, Pranati, closed May 21 — although we are told by artistic director Srilatha Singh that the company may reopen the viewing experience at a later date. To donate to the company’s COVID relief effort in India, click here. Chitrakaavya also performed recently at the opening of the Mid-Valley Performing Arts Center, which is worth checking out in and of itself.

A Conversation with Khadifa Wong & Lisa Donmall-Reeve

After watching their new film Uprooted: The Journey of Jazz Dance (reviewed here by Kathy Adams) contributor Alexandra Barbier sat down with Khadifa Wong and Lisa Donmall-Reeve to discuss the movie and the larger significance of jazz in dance, the USA and the UK, and global culture.

Lisa Donmall-Reeve (left) and Khadifa Wong (right front) produced and directed Uprooted. They’re pictured here with crew members and dancers from Holla Jazz. Photo by Daryl Getman.

Lisa Donmall-Reeve (left) and Khadifa Wong (right front) produced and directed Uprooted. They’re pictured here with crew members and dancers from Holla Jazz. Photo by Daryl Getman.

Says Barbier, "The opportunity to interview Khadifa and Lisa was perfectly timed. I had just been asked to teach a university-level Dance History course for students studying ballet, jazz, and contemporary dance. I was annoyed when I received the proposed course outline and discovered that only one week of the sixteen-week course focused on "Minstrelsy and the evolution of jazz dance," a veiled way of saying "Black dance." It was placed in the eleventh week of an otherwise chronologically accurate timeline of the western concert dance canon, which I found baffling considering that Minstrel shows "crystalized" between 1850 and 1870, and week ten of this course addressed José Limón (1908-1972). I began my conversation with Khadifa and Lisa by asking if they'd had similarly misleading experiences when studying dance history, and if this inaccuracy (which is not unique to the program that hired me) played a role in their decision to make this film."

Link to our SoundCloud Page to hear the full interview.

Click here to learn more about the film, which will be available to watch here and elsewhere soon.